Line 6 Helix Stadium

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Is hype just Soothe 2 + Comp?

it's a one knob hype(ass) / low pass

 

[Digital Igloo]

Is hype just Soothe 2 + Comp?

The Hype knob is pretty much customized for each amp, and is not meant to be a magic bullet. Depending on the amp and amp settings, some people who've tried it land on 5.0-6.0, others at 2.0-3.0, some leave it off. At 10.0, it's generally overkill, except when certain amps' settings make it really subtle.

 

[Frodebro]

Good thing I responded to Tim before I posted this exact quote and gif.

 

[ragingplatypi]

The Hype knob is pretty much customized for each amp, and is not meant to be a magic bullet. Depending on the amp and amp settings, some people who've tried it land on 5.0-6.0, others at 2.0-3.0, some leave it off. At 10.0, it's generally overkill, except when certain amps' settings make it really subtle.

I f’n love that you actually did the Hype knob. I thought that was just a pie-in-the-sky/joke.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

The Hype knob is pretty much customized for each amp, and is not meant to be a magic bullet. Depending on the amp and amp settings, some people who've tried it land on 5.0-6.0, others at 2.0-3.0, some leave it off. At 10.0, it's generally overkill, except when certain amps' settings make it really subtle.

I'm quite intrigued by it, aside from the name =)
I guess it'd be cool when Stadium is released to know a bit more about how it affects each amp - eg. some info / tool tip

 

[BenIfin]

The real question is;
Next generation models with a genuine sense of improvement or lipstick on a pig?

Do you really view L6 modeling as pig worthy?

Ive got less that zero problems with personal preferences re: sound / tone / feel .... its all good.

Ive got less than zero problems if people much prefer one brand over another ... its all good.

But f.f.s ... this is to my mind the single biggest modeler announcement of the last 10 years, and this is your question/comment ? Helix modeling is a Pig ?

I mean ... f*ck .... I know this is a very open and liberal forum, but that's just totally f*cking embarrassing.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Ive got less that zero problems with personal preferences re: sound / tone / feel .... its all good.

Ive got less than zero problems if people much prefer one brand over another ... its all good.

But f.f.s ... this is to my mind the single biggest modeler announcement of the last 10 years, and this is your question/comment ? Helix modeling is a Pig ?

I mean ... f*ck .... I know this is a very open and liberal forum, but that's just totally f*cking embarrassing.

He's probably just projecting his insecurities

 

[Mongillo19]

this is to my mind the single biggest modeler announcement of the last 10 years

Yeah it's certainly up there (I can't think of anything that pushed the field more at the moment).

But to some, L6 is going to be inferior no matter what they do. The loss is on them, I wouldn't stress about it

 

[BenIfin]

That's perfectly understandable. I don't think any platform's next-gen modeling is going to blow Fractal out of the water, nor do I think the reverse is true either. The FM9 is a stupidly capable and well-made piece of gear, and it has also been great-sounding, reliable and easy to use live (one I put in the work beforehand using Axe-Edit at home) for me too.

But in my ownership of Helix hardware, Quad Cortex and (currently) Tonemaster Pro, I've truly been convinced that user experience and just plain fun operating it matters.

This is pretty much the whole point !

In 2025, with the Top Tier players, their "versions" of Amp emulations are all slightly different but none of them are objectively "right" or "correct" - its all subjective. I don't think Cliff and his teams ears are better or worse than the ears at L6 or NDSP etc..... no-one owns the keys to the Kingdom anymore. Those days are long gone.

Think of it like color .... what is the objectively "correct" or "right" shade of Blue ... there is no objective or true answer and there never will be.

 

[deadpool_25]

I wonder if they have Howard Kaplan working on something Stadium related.

 

[deadpool_25]

what is the objectively "correct" or "right" shade of Blue ...

Black. Obviously.

 

[BenIfin]

If Line6 can demonstrate that they've achieved parity with FAS and they also have the significantly more intuitive UI then they have made a total winner.

This is the real rub. They can each never be better than the other simply because Amps are differnet.

I would guarantee you that if you put L6's real AC30, Twin and Plexi -next- to Fractals real AC30, Twin and Plexi and set the same setting on each, they are going to each sound anywhere from differnet to a lot differnet.

So they are modeling and recreating "different" Amps ... that's just an unavoidable reality of such crude, 70 year old analog tech.

 

[Frodebro]

This is the real rub. They can each never be better than the other simply because Amps are differnet.

I would guarantee you that if you put L6's real AC30, Twin and Plexi -next- to Fractals real AC30, Twin and Plexi and set the same setting on each, they are going to each sound anywhere from differnet to a lot differnet.

So they are modeling and recreating "different" Amps ... that's just an unavoidable reality of such crude, 70 year old analog tech.

I think the other features outside of the amp models are what truly distinguishes the different platforms these days, as each company seems to have found their "lane" and settled into it (with the obvious overlaps). People just need to figure out which lane best suits their needs and go with the company that best occupies that lane.

 

[OrganicZed]

This is the real rub. They can each never be better than the other simply because Amps are differnet.

I would guarantee you that if you put L6's real AC30, Twin and Plexi -next- to Fractals real AC30, Twin and Plexi and set the same setting on each, they are going to each sound anywhere from differnet to a lot differnet.

So they are modeling and recreating "different" Amps ... that's just an unavoidable reality of such crude, 70 year old analog tech.

That’s valid. No two vintage amps are truly the same due to component drift.

I don’t mean to say that on par means 1:1 direct comparison between the amp models. What I’m meaning has to do with the quality of the modeling. How well the models respond to playing dynamic, whether Line6 is oversampling enough to decrease the aliasing, and things like that. Another issue is the quality of the A/D/A converters. I wouldn’t want to give up sound quality.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Good thing I responded to Tim before I posted this exact quote and gif.

The real reason to get the Stadium

 

[DrewJD82]

I don’t know. The whole showcase thing seems like a gimmick and the showcase thing I wish they would leave that off. It seems like it’ll be more problems Jack of all trades master of none kinda thing???

Here's some perspective for you-



That video is 13 years old and the content running Garageband on an iPhone4. I don't know if they had automation available on it then but I know they were doing it 6 years ago, so if outdated iPhone can run multiple tracks of audio and VST, accept/send MIDI, automate effects/volume/EQ, I'm quite certain an app written by Line 6/Yamaha group in 2025 could pull it off just fine.

As for the stem splitter, there are websites that do it for free now using AI and there's sites you can pay for that'll do high quality splitting-


I think it's safe to say Line 6/Yamaha has the resources to pull this off. Especially considering Eric's reply to my hopes for the ability to alter the speed of songs in Showcase and how it currently sacrifices the audio quality, I'm going to assume that there's a barrier they won't drop below if they're going to put it on this.

If you can't see the usability of some of these features, I don't even mean this in a dickish way, but I'm going to assume you have little experience outside jamming in the house. And even IF jamming at home is your thing, one of the most highly requested features is some kind of way to play audio through a modeler so people could jam along with songs, being able to remove all the guitars in your favorite songs to jam with at home, while your fancy pedalboard switches all your effects, I'm sure there's going to be more than one dude standing in front of a mirror when a solo section comes up and the wife isn't home so they can really crank the lead preset.

From a live performance perspective, that thing is fucking nuts.

 

[norminal]

 

[GTR37]

Tim I love ya man , but your going to have to work with me here , I think I speak for everyone when I say WTF is Belt tronics

 

[DrewJD82]

Pissed Mod Drew--

You guys think I'm fucking around, next person to post a single fucking thing about fucking politics/economic bullshit is getting a lot more than 2 days off from here.

What the hell is wrong with you guys? For fuck's sake.

 

[banned]

Here's some perspective for you-



That video is 13 years old and the content running Garageband on an iPhone4. I don't know if they had automation available on it then but I know they were doing it 6 years ago, so if outdated iPhone can run multiple tracks of audio and VST, accept/send MIDI, automate effects/volume/EQ, I'm quite certain an app written by Line 6/Yamaha group in 2025 could pull it off just fine.

As for the stem splitter, there are websites that do it for free now using AI and there's sites you can pay for that'll do high quality splitting-


I think it's safe to say Line 6/Yamaha has the resources to pull this off. Especially considering Eric's reply to my hopes for the ability to alter the speed of songs in Showcase and how it currently sacrifices the audio quality, I'm going to assume that there's a barrier they won't drop below if they're going to put it on this.

If you can't see the usability of some of these features, I don't even mean this in a dickish way, but I'm going to assume you have little experience outside jamming in the house. And even IF jamming at home is your thing, one of the most highly requested features is some kind of way to play audio through a modeler so people could jam along with songs, being able to remove all the guitars in your favorite songs to jam with at home, while your fancy pedalboard switches all your effects, I'm sure there's going to be more than one dude standing in front of a mirror when a solo section comes up and the wife isn't home so they can really crank the lead preset.

From a live performance perspective, that thing is fucking nuts.

How does one get the audio into Showcase? Does it have to be a wav or mp3 file?