Line 6 Helix Stadium

[ccc118]

You would think one of the five Plexi focus zones would be a "Brown Sound"/most knobs on 10 config with the Sag cranked to hell too. Line 6 even put out a pretty decent tutorial on this for the OG Helix:

This is 8 yrs old, but I think also gets in the ballpark. In the comments, he mentions everything dimed except presence.

 

[DrewJD82]

Hopefully they get someone doing actual modern metal tones when they do and not ‘80s butt metal or thrash tones. I want to hear it with a guitar tuned to double drop fuck.

Once @Digital Igloo sends the demo unit here I’ll do whatever era of metal tones ya’ll want! Just tell him to get on it!

 

[Sascha Franck]

Maybe the lack of all br00tal tones is a sign that Line 6 has been moving forward to satisfy real musicians.

 

[DrewJD82]

Maybe the lack of all br00tal tones is a sign that Line 6 has been moving forward to satisfy real musicians.

Man, it hasn’t smelled like TGP here for a few weeks and here ya go stinkin’ it up!!!!!

 

[Sascha Franck]

Man, it hasn’t smelled like TGP here for a few weeks and here ya go stinkin’ it up!!!!!

You're welcome!

 

[Fireproof]

I didn't really love the higher gain tones here, but the other ones sounded very nice.

But I'm really impressed by the thoughtful workflow and user experience design of the HX Stadium. Line6 is again the company to emulate for the next generation of modelers.

Agreed. I’m actually really excited to get it and NOT hook it up to my computer. No need for a computer to update it. No need for a computer editor to dial in sounds. The cab block capabilities will eliminate the need for my IRs.

I know not for everyone. But I’m pretty excited about that.

 

[EOengineer]

Maybe the lack of all br00tal tones is a sign that Line 6 has been moving forward to satisfy real musicians.

 

[Tito83]

I wish demos were done more focused on the player and a more case by case thing. Let the player dictate what he wants, what he/she is used to and try to make some actual music. To have a guy like Litteri just to noddle while someone else does the tweaking is a bit lame IMO. When doing stuff like this just let the player try to replicate the stuff they actually use and are familiar with. The Dweezil one was far better in this sense, but ultimately not the greatest choice at this time given his odd tone choice.

The official one was far better, some cool sounding stuff. Still didn't hear anything that made me go WOW yet though.

This is 8 yrs old, but I think also gets in the ballpark. In the comments, he mentions everything dimed except presence.

I made that one. The settings were that, pretty common for the VH thing. The IR was the hard part. The starting point was a Redwirez one that I eq'd quite heavily.

 

[banned]

I wish demos were done more focused on the player and a more case by case thing. Let the player dictate what he wants, what he/she is used to and try to make some actual music. To have a guy like Litteri just to noddle while someone else does the tweaking is a bit lame IMO. When doing stuff like this just let the player try to replicate the stuff they actually use and are familiar with. The Dweezil one was far better in this sense, but ultimately not the greatest choice at this time given his odd tone choice.

The official one was far better, some cool sounding stuff. Still didn't hear anything that made me go WOW yet though.



I made that one. The settings were that, pretty common for the VH thing. The IR was the hard part. The starting point was a Redwirez one that I eq'd quite heavily.

Yeah, it's hard for me to play with someone else tweaking. I need my hands on those knobs getting my sound and feel.

 

[banned]

WE NEED TO TALK

I think he lost some relevance putting out new videos every 10 minutes. Pity...he's a decent player and his channel was growing.

 

[BenIfin]

WE NEED TO TALK

I have zero idea of or if DZ even wants to change his rigs - and I don't give a flying fuck either way - but there is already a "diss" on the F/Forum about this video .... some pop-psychology bullshit projection about him having a "muted" response as he probably knows when the A4 is due .... f.f.s. !!!!

I'm no fan of his style or music but those tones and what he wanted .... got dialed in pretty easy and he even commented about how quick it was .... and those Marshalls and the de-tune flange effect sounded pretty fucking great .....go figure.

You can almost hear the butt-hurt swelling that he would even dare appear in a L6 video ..... <- too easy - I couldn't resist :)

 

[2dor]

Get Ola to do it.

..or Merrow

 

[BenIfin]

Sorry if already posted

 

[Whizzinby]

Let the player dictate what he wants, what he/she is used to and try to make some actual music. To have a guy like Litteri just to noddle while someone else does the tweaking is a bit lame IMO. When doing stuff like this just let the player try to replicate the stuff they actually use and are familiar with.

Agree completely. I think that’s where the demo fell short in spots. When he wasn’t feeling it, he had no ability to take control and dial it in to taste.

It just got caught in between being a device/feature demo and an artist showcase.

It’s not the end of the world. It was great to see the device in use for an extended period of time.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Sorry if already posted

Already been posted, don't let it happen again.






Just kidding.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Let the player dictate what he wants, what he/she is used to and try to make some actual music.

Yeah, I agree, that'd be the best idea to actually showcase real life usability.
Would possibly be even better if they told the guys something like "ok, we made this to be very intuitive, so try to create a patch yourself without any help!" (obviously mixing in the occasional "look, you can as well do this thing here...").

 

[mikah912]

Agree completely. I think that’s where the demo fell short in spots. When he wasn’t feeling it, he had no ability to take control and dial it in to taste.

It just got caught in between being a device/feature demo and an artist showcase.

It’s not the end of the world. It was great to see the device in use for an extended period of time.

Like I said when I called this an unforced error: I don't think a product person from Line 6 should be the primary driver in any demo. Lead the artist to Focus View, and let them experience the incredibly thoughtful and intuitive UI for themselves by dragging between zones.

Demos for this product shouldn't be Ben or anyone else randomly turning knobs or randomly picking amps. The great thing about Stadium is that it makes searching for tones or inspiration way easier and more efficient. Use the next-level Search thing to find appropriate presets. If you're starting from a blank one, start with Focus Zones on whatever amp you pick and show us that. Let's see you dragging the mic around the cab appropriately too.

 

[AlbertA]

Sorry if already posted

 

[banned]

FWIW, don't throw out your Helix. From what Ben said in that video - they were doing a lot of work in the past on Helix models measuring voltages and currents at specific circuit nodes and aligning them to modeled signals and voltages. VERY few people were doing that to that extent on every single amp model put out.

Now they have a more generalized, mathematical circuit model, but possibly with better modeled components within that circuit and more modeling components added (wiring capacitance etc.). Additionally, it's a more sophisticated model capturing more of the interactions resulting in the feel improvements.

There's nothing groundbreaking here - this is where Fractal has been at. It's quicker to get an amp modeled using Agoura as a result - however, we can't discount the huge amount of effort that went into every amp model on Helix. That was a detailed measured fit.

 

[HotRats]

I wish demos were done more focused on the player and a more case by case thing. Let the player dictate what he wants, what he/she is used to and try to make some actual music. To have a guy like Litteri just to noddle while someone else does the tweaking is a bit lame IMO. When doing stuff like this just let the player try to replicate the stuff they actually use and are familiar with. The Dweezil one was far better in this sense, but ultimately not the greatest choice at this time given his odd tone choice.

The official one was far better, some cool sounding stuff. Still didn't hear anything that made me go WOW yet though.



I made that one. The settings were that, pretty common for the VH thing. The IR was the hard part. The starting point was a Redwirez one that I eq'd quite heavily.

Your video basically made me buy the Helix in 2018