Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[Orvillain]

And then right after that:

You, telling him he's wrong by asserting that you can't be wrong.

Sprachen zie Albion??

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

Sprachen zie Albion??

Nur donnerstags

 

[OneEng]

I think digital gear is solid on the whole, but real amps still have that extra something about them.

Yep, about 50lbs extra! Seriously though, I really believe that any advantage tube amps may have had is now eclipsed many times over by the other advantages modern digital amps provide ..... at least in a live gig situation. I do miss the smell of the tubes warming up, but not so much moving the beast to and from the gig.

Being critical for good cause is not bad, but I don't think I'd feel comfortable betting against stadium. It just may evolve to be iconic

I think you may be right. I think they are definitely on to something here. Give it a year to mature and I don't see much of anything holding a candle to it.

I guess some people have a misconception about the term "modeller" and what they are supposed to do.

It's always possible to make an accurate model sound "good" if they already don't, just like real amps, by using a different cab/mic/IR, EQ, compressor, drive, reverb etc. but it is way harder or impossible to make a good sounding model sound accurate.

Reading and ignoring the "wHat if it's not acCurate, it soUnDs gOod aNywaY." comments is overwhelming and tiring after some time.

Fair enough. If accuracy is important to you then NAM is your friend. Why would you spend so much money to get a Stadium?

 

[dean701]

I'm not going to say that the FAS Stealth Blue is 100% accurate but I know Cliff has an endless journey trying to keep things as honest as possible.
Utilizing the same IR, here are the settings I did to the Stadium to get things close. (I think there is an inherent compressor/DI magic in Fractal that makes FAS sound like FAS but that might just be me - therefore the compressor at the end was polish)

FAS settings for Blue: (no other blocks besides the IR)

Is this extreme manipulation - I don't know but it took a while to get them close.

 

[Mongillo19]

I'm not going to say that the FAS Stealth Blue is 100% accurate but I know Cliff has an endless journey trying to keep things as honest as possible.
Utilizing the same IR, here are the settings I did to the Stadium to get things close. (I think there is an inherent compressor/DI magic in Fractal that makes FAS sound like FAS but that might just be me - therefore the compressor at the end was polish)

FAS settings for Blue: (no other blocks besides the IR)
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Is this extreme manipulation - I don't know but it took a while to get them close.

Arguably most important, what did you prefer

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

I'm not going to say that the FAS Stealth Blue is 100% accurate but I know Cliff has an endless journey trying to keep things as honest as possible.
Utilizing the same IR, here are the settings I did to the Stadium to get things close.

Those aren’t the same amps so I’m not surprised it took some doing to get them close.

 

[dean701]

Arguably most important, what did you prefer

sound wise - they are close enough (in fact, I starting stomping on the FM9 buttons when it was actually the Stadium)
UI - you know the answer to that

 

[dean701]

Those aren’t the same amps so I’m not surprised it took some doing to get them close.

they kind of are within reason: sure the stealth has more gain for sure.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

the stealth has more gain for sure.

And more treble and less low end. When I compared the Agoura EV blue to the corresponding Fractal model with the same IR and same settings, it was really, really close. Don’t forget the master volume. Fractal defaults to 2 for the non-stealth blue. Agoura defaults to 5. As soon as you pull it back everything lines up.

 

[[Nathan]]

Seems to only really be on this forum where people don’t think Proxy is accurate. Getting rave reviews everywhere else. Is it the best? Probably not, at least just now. Is it good enough? 100%.

"Getting rave reviews everywhere"
"Is it the best? Probably not,"

I agree its good enough but why stop there and accept it. "Good enough" was pod bean days yet everyone welcomes and loves all the digital advancements over the years. Things can always get better and when you take ego and cope out of the mix the discussions here are generally about what can make things better / why some things might not sound like the real sources.

Im not saying you do this but when people try to chop down those discussions its really counter intuitive.

 

[Bosons Tear]

thou I could see how the untrained eye could see it as an attempt to establish a narrative defining a product launch