Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

It doesn't sound the same when cold, new tubes, tube bias differences, etc, etc. It does, however, generally sound "good". I think this is my strongest argument against the cult of capture accuracy.
Who’s to say that the differences as a result of inaccurate modelling or capture tech are the same sort of audible differences as different valves or voltages or pot values? Usually in these comparisons, the real amps always have something that gives them away as real and the modellers have qualities that sound digital. Matching the reference unit is imperative.

It’s throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Seems to only really be on this forum where people don’t think Proxy is accurate. Getting rave reviews everywhere else. Is it the best? Probably not, at least just now. Is it good enough? 100%.
 
Seems to only really be on this forum where people don’t think Proxy is accurate. Getting rave reviews everywhere else. Is it the best? Probably not, at least just now. Is it good enough? 100%.

I think a lot of this forum seems to lean more high gain, where the differences seem more apparent (at least going by what I've heard). I haven't gotten a chance to experience it yet, but for my less-high-gain tastes it sounds great in demoes.

And fwiw a few of the large YouTube channels have openly said the same about the higher gain captures too, so it's not just here. Line 6 has said they're using info at this stage to refine things, so I'm sure it'll get way better, and this sort of fair criticism is great for that.
 
Who’s to say that the differences as a result of inaccurate modelling or capture tech are the same sort of audible differences as different valves or voltages or pot values? Usually in these comparisons, the real amps always have something that gives them away as real and the modellers have qualities that sound digital. Matching the reference unit is imperative.

It’s throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
If you mean "real amp" is the amp in the room vs a capture into a FRFR speaker, then there is definitely a difference. If you mean a real amp recorded through a microphone and then sent through speakers, I think that in a blind A/B test with JUST raw guitar and amp tone, many would have a hard time figuring out accurately which is which.

If you are talking about amp plus effects, I think you go from "many" to "almost everyone" wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

If you put the guitar with effects into a mix, nobody anywhere could tell the difference.
I'm trying to imagine a company advertising their capture tech as "won't accurately capture your amp, but sounds nice and the FX are great."
I think a more likely advertising line might be "so close you can't hear the difference" but also talking about "and $20,000.00 of FREE studio grade guitar effects for FREE" and also "all in one easy to carry foot controller".

If capture accuracy alone is all you are interested in, stick with NAM and something inexpensive like ToneX.
 
If you mean "real amp" is the amp in the room vs a capture into a FRFR speaker, then there is definitely a difference
No, I don’t mean that. Totally different thing.
I think that in a blind A/B test with JUST raw guitar and amp tone, many would have a hard time figuring out accurately which is which.
This has been the case for a while. When new modelling iterations come along, I want the gaps to get smaller. That’s what the discussion is about. We’re already well past this. Once you know where to look for differences, modellers do reveal themselves somewhat easily (even if most people would be fooled by it). Most people could be fooled by a Kemper tone but it doesn’t mean that there isn’t room to improve accuracy. If Kemper came out with a new update that sounded better in terms of gain and dynamics but the results were further from the source, you’d have mixed feelings, right?
 
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