Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[mavrick102000]

I saw Badonk in the preset name and honestly; I am not interested in an original amp model that's 27 years old. No matter how forum famous it is


On a positive note; got my L6 credentials (and body) ready for that first update

Jon just initially chugged on that. But then setup an Agoura Revv Red for the remainder of the video.

 

[JiveTurkey]

For me; the "poweramps" I have and LOVE (aka Mark modern mode channels) are going to add WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much coloration. I am going to concentrate on the FR12, studio monitors and 4CM over trying to throw Mesa sauce on top of the HX amps. I think. For now.

 

[mikah912]

I need to listen to the WT demoes today (hopefully someone has good Champ and Bassman demoes?).

Honestly, they did the most comprehensive and best-sounding demos of the entire Agoura amp range (not in least because they're selling 8-snapshot presets of all of them).

 

[JiveTurkey]

Ah.....I think I looked away when that appeared onscreen, but that goes away super quickly. 99 percent of the video is the REVV.

And to be fair, he created that factory preset with the Badonk (and it's a great amp, and also not 27 years old).

The Agoura high-gain options for right now are basically limited to 4 amps, and modern YouTubers keep spamming the 5153 and REVV to the detriment of the Soldano and Bogner Ecstasy,

I know. I skipped around and did watch some of the Rev parts. I will say I am still in timbuk brain mode on this point, though and however old the Badonk actually is is not a draw for me vs. real life amps I love.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

JC's done a comparison video here of old and new modelling:



The Agoura EVH model definitely sounds like there's more poweramp distortion, it's much more midrangy and bloated/thick. It's the ugly sounding distortion Im hearing in other clips. IMO the older model sounds nicer.

On the lower gain models, the onset of gain sounds a lot more dynamic and I think it sounds very pleasing. I think it sounds noticeably better (for instance in his opening clips, or on the AC30). US Luxe absolutely sounds more dynamic, by comparison the old model sounds like it has a pedal in front that won't quite allow things to clean up as much. AC30 I was sort of split on, overall I think Agoura sounds better but the old model had a few tones I liked more.

 

[mikah912]

I know. I skipped around and did watch some of the Rev parts. I will say I am still in timbuk brain mode on this point, though and however old the Badonk actually is is not a draw for me vs. real life amps I love.

That's fair. I will say that whatever your impressions are with the Stadium now, stick around and see whhich three Agoura amps they add in 1.2 in a month.

Might be a....

 

[Orvillain]

JC's done a comparison video here of old and new modelling:



The Agoura EVH model definitely sounds like there's more poweramp distortion, it's much more midrangy and bloated/thick. It's the ugly sounding distortion Im hearing in other clips. IMO the older model sounds nicer.

On the lower gain models, the onset of gain sounds a lot more dynamic and I think it sounds very pleasing. I think it sounds noticeably better (for instance in his opening clips, or on the AC30). US Luxe absolutely sounds more dynamic, by comparison the old model sounds like it has a pedal in front that won't quite allow things to clean up as much. AC30 I was sort of split on, overall I think Agoura sounds better but the old model had a few tones I liked more.

He's got so much nasty ass power noise creeping into his signal, that I just don't even want to listen tbh!

 

[synthpenguin]

JC's done a comparison video here of old and new modelling:



The Agoura EVH model definitely sounds like there's more poweramp distortion, it's much more midrangy and bloated/thick. It's the ugly sounding distortion Im hearing in other clips. IMO the older model sounds nicer.

On the lower gain models, the onset of gain sounds a lot more dynamic and I think it sounds very pleasing. I think it sounds noticeably better (for instance in his opening clips, or on the AC30). US Luxe absolutely sounds more dynamic, by comparison the old model sounds like it has a pedal in front that won't quite allow things to clean up as much. AC30 I was sort of split on, overall I think Agoura sounds better but the old model had a few tones I liked more.

AC30 sounds way better to me. I never liked the Helix AC30 unfortunately because imo it never got the "fuzziness" I was looking for right. Always sounds either too dark or too strident I guess, and hard to get a good driven sound that sits in between, whereas an AC30 has a lot of space in between those extremes.

The 5150 sounds better to me too. I mean, I didn't love either tone, but the old one sounds pretty flat / less complex to me in a way where I think I'd want to hype up the sound more (too much). Not my space though, really, and I feel like I'd mess with the drive and master or something in both cases.

And agreed on the Deluxe. Sounds like they fixed the high end thing I never liked about most of the Helix Fenders, which is great. I bet it'll take drive pedals way better because of that alone.

What I'm hearing overall with these comparisons, and what seems especially apparent with the AC30 comparison, is that both can get good sounds, but that the Agoura models have more good / usable sounds across the range of controls. That's most important to me.

 

[EOengineer]

Is Agoura becoming the proverbial modeling moped? It’s all fun until our Fractal friends see us doing it…

(No shade towards Agoura intended)

 

[AlbertA]

The previous thread is so full of nonsense that it's best to start a new one.

 

[Digital Igloo]

Where are the speaker impedance settings adjusted at? Is that user facing yet?

Speaker impedance curves are not currently user-selectable.

 

[Fireproof]

All this hand-wringing about the Revv amp...and the perfect high gain chugs.

I'm over here looking forward to playing with some Tweed goodness for some early ZZ Top tones!

 

[JiveTurkey]

Speaker impedance curves are not currently user-selectable.

Good to know. Thank you sir!

 

[Fireproof]

I will say I am still in timbuk brain mode on this point, ...

Son I am disappoint.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Son I am disappoint.

JUST THAT ONE POINT!

 

[banned]

This thread will be Hype = 0.

That is the big difference - good planning I say!

 

[Fireproof]

This thread will be Hype = 0.

That is the big difference - good planning I say!

But which focus zone???

 

[JiveTurkey]

But which focus zone???

Dry and humorless in the lower left hand corner?

 

[EOengineer]

All this hand-wringing about the Revv amp...and the perfect high gain chugs.

I'm over here looking forward to playing with some Tweed goodness for some early ZZ Top tones!

I’m there with you. I’m a high gain player but am most excited to checkout the tweed champ, AC30, Plexi, 800…more of the traditional circuits.

 

[EOengineer]

Dry and humorless in the lower left hand corner?

Now entering our new era of focus zone related humor.

(Just gonna slide over here to the lost in sarcasm corner…)