Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[MirrorProfiles]

I think Sneap chops everything below 300Hz or something like that

No he doesn't. And no one filters as a matter of course, you do what you have to do.

It's far more common for people to add way too much processing that isn't needed, than for them to undercook it. It's surprising how raw some tones can be if they're dialled in right from the beginning. It just depends, but ALWAYS doing some form of processing is essentially assuming you aren't even listening to the tone or thinking about how the specific part relates to the bigger picture.

 

[HomespunEffects]

I doubt that.

K.

 

[HomespunEffects]

No he doesn't. And no one filters as a matter of course, you do what you have to do.

It's far more common for people to add way too much processing that isn't needed, than for them to undercook it. It's surprising how raw some tones can be if they're dialled in right from the beginning. It just depends, but ALWAYS doing some form of processing is essentially assuming you aren't even listening to the tone or thinking about how the specific part relates to the bigger picture.

K.

 

[GTR37]

No he doesn't. And no one filters as a matter of course, you do what you have to do.

It's far more common for people to add way too much processing that isn't needed, than for them to undercook it. It's surprising how raw some tones can be if they're dialled in right from the beginning. It just depends, but ALWAYS doing some form of processing is essentially assuming you aren't even listening to the tone or thinking about how the specific part relates to the bigger picture.

Producers are cutting low end for sure on guitars
Depending on genre I mean doom maybe not but most hard rock recording you hear have had the low end of the guitar cut the flub

 

[GTR37]

No he doesn't. And no one filters as a matter of course, you do what you have to do.

It's far more common for people to add way too much processing that isn't needed, than for them to undercook it. It's surprising how raw some tones can be if they're dialled in right from the beginning. It just depends, but ALWAYS doing some form of processing is essentially assuming you aren't even listening to the tone or thinking about how the specific part relates to the bigger picture.

Sorry I should have said guitars not his overall mix

 

[HomespunEffects]

Producers are cutting low end for sure on guitars
Depending on genre I mean doom maybe not but most hard rock recording you hear have had the low end of the guitar cut the flub

these guys will argue if you say the sky is blue.


… I don’t know who Sneap is.

 

[HomespunEffects]

Sorry I should have said guitars not his overall mix

That should have been a given but the sky, is it really blue?

 

[Orvillain]

No he doesn't. And no one filters as a matter of course, you do what you have to do.

It's far more common for people to add way too much processing that isn't needed, than for them to undercook it. It's surprising how raw some tones can be if they're dialled in right from the beginning. It just depends, but ALWAYS doing some form of processing is essentially assuming you aren't even listening to the tone or thinking about how the specific part relates to the bigger picture.

This is the problem with bad mix/tone advice on the internets - everyone just takes it for gospel. I remember loads of the amateurs on the Sneap forum saying that they use templates with a 100hz high-pass filter on every track except the kick and bass, and it's like... no wonder your mixes sound like doggy-doo-doo.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Producers are cutting low end for sure on guitars
Depending on genre I mean doom maybe not but most hard rock recording you hear have had the low end of the guitar cut the flub

Sorry I should have said guitars not his overall mix

He is 100% not filtering his guitars at 300hz, thats way too high for any of the music he's ever worked on. Not only does that not sound anything like what his mixes and productions are like, it also contradicts everything he's said about how he works.

IF he rolls off low end on his guitars, it's likely between 60-100hz, but as with any of this stuff it really depends on what you're working with and the context. You can tell by listening to anything he's worked on that he isn't rolling off at 300hz, thats just not true in the slightest.

This is the problem with bad mix/tone advice on the internets - everyone just takes it for gospel. I remember loads of the amateurs on the Sneap forum saying that they use templates with a 100hz high-pass filter on every track except the kick and bass, and it's like... no wonder your mixes sound like doggy-doo-doo.

Yep, as someone who came up on that forum and has a ton of nostalgia for it, there is so much advice there that was taken as gospel which in reality just falls into the "it depends" category. Back in the day, information was so hard to come by and everything was a guarded secret, so any crumb of help felt huge. I think for all the help I got out of that forum, I probably picked up just as many bad habits that I had to "unlearn".

 

[GTR37]

This is the problem with bad mix/tone advice on the internets - everyone just takes it for gospel. I remember loads of the amateurs on the Sneap forum saying that they use templates with a 100hz high-pass filter on every track except the kick and bass, and it's like... no wonder your mixes sound like doggy-doo-doo.

I think it depends on Genre
It’s not just him
If you have heavy down tuned guitars and you quad track them you are going to get flub w the kick and bass if they all sit in the same freq
I also correct my above statement Sneap was using a MBC to limit and control the lows ,
I think there are also many factors that can make your mix sound like poo
But I think we have gotten off topic the original comment was a guy setting his globals in a modeller to low cut that Sascha asked why

 

[MirrorProfiles]

That should have been a given but the sky, is it really blue?

Why are you getting involved? Saying Sneap (who you just said you've never heard of) rolls off at 300hz is like saying the sky is brown.

 

[HomespunEffects]

Why are you getting involved? Saying Sneap (who you just said you've never heard of) rolls off at 300hz is like saying the sky is brown.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

I also correct my above statement Sneap was using a MBC to limit and control the lows ,

This is about controlling the dynamics of the low end (particularly on palm mutes), it's quite different to filtering low end because that frequency range remains at roughly the same level. It's just about stopping that frequency range occasionally getting too loud on palm mutes. And its not something that Andy or anyone else does every mix, its just something anyone would commonly do to achieve the desired sonic result in certain circumstances If someone ALWAYS filters out their low end, or ALWAYS compresses their lows/low mids, then it's arguably more dumb than never doing any processing to the tone.

The worst mistake people make with dialling in sounds is adding processing without knowing why, or without any real aim. Going out looking for problems and fixing them just leads to sucking all the life out of a tone.

 

[EOengineer]

This is the problem with bad mix/tone advice on the internets - everyone just takes it for gospel. I remember loads of the amateurs on the Sneap forum saying that they use templates with a 100hz high-pass filter on every track except the kick and bass, and it's like... no wonder your mixes sound like doggy-doo-doo.

Welcome to early 2000s peak loudness war era production. It was super common to pull out all the low end so you could get more apparent loudness and hit the master bus harder.

Not advocating for the technique, just acknowledging this was definitely a thing for a while.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Mixed one demo. Now we know how Andy Sneap did it and how all producers are doing. If you HPF guitars at 300hz you’re guitars will sound like shit. Which might be what you need in an EDM song or something, or for a lead or layer, but just like “I always cut this and this” isn’t how people who do it, do it.

 

[HomespunEffects]

This is about controlling the dynamics of the low end (particularly on palm mutes), it's quite different to filtering low end because that frequency range remains at roughly the same level. It's just about stopping that frequency range occasionally getting too loud on palm mutes. And its not something that Andy or anyone else does every mix, its just something anyone would commonly do to achieve the desired sonic result in certain circumstances If someone ALWAYS filters out their low end, or ALWAYS compresses their lows/low mids, then it's arguably more dumb than never doing any processing to the tone.

The worst mistake people make with dialling in sounds is adding processing without knowing why, or without any real aim. Going out looking for problems and fixing them just leads to sucking all the life out of a tone.

So let me be wrong and dumb. Because, you know, I don’t listen to my tones or anything. I just adjust the sliders willy nilly.

 

[ian_dissonance]

So let me be wrong and dumb.

Be wrong and dumb, just don’t tell other people stuff like you’re right about it if you truly don’t know.

 

[HomespunEffects]

Be wrong and dumb, just don’t tell other people stuff like you’re right about it if you truly don’t know.

Did i do that? Ever? Is this projection?

 

[[Nathan]]

Stadium sounds like a hardware model like helix stomp helix one helix stadium, doesn’t sound like a new platform revision to me. A working title turned product release actually makes sense now

I know naming things sucks but Helix 2 or 2.0 is pretty clear and does the job. It’s also been 10 years so Helix X could also have worked (double stadium is terrible).

But yes who cares just gimme the new box when it drops, stadeeeeyumzz

 

[GTR37]

Mixed one demo. Now we know how Andy Sneap did it and how all producers are doing. If you HPF guitars at 300hz your guitars will sound like shit. Which might be what you need in an EDM song or something, or for a lead or layer, but just like “I always cut this and this” isn’t how people who do it, do it.

Obviously you would eq for the song
But my point is frequently by multiple producers Algae
Baseford they will cut low end on guitars
Listen to isolated stems Van Halen , Randy Rhodes and even Metallica master of puppets has way less low end coming from the guitar than you would imagine
A Mesa boogie amp in a room has a lot of lows and it’s not as present in the final mixes