Kemper Profiler MK 2

[OneEng]

It’s not even debating personal preference. It’s stating personal preference to move the line of the debate away from things that are for the most part measurable because preference doesn’t prefer measuring things. It’s actually kind of comical. We had the opposite in another thread where I guy said “this is my irrational preference and I understand it is both a minority and irrational” and people kept trying to debate him on why it is a preference and irrational for like two pages, lol. I swear some people are using ChatGPT to summarize a thread every time they come back and then responding to that (wrong, inaccurate) summary.

I am certainly not debating my personal preference. I am pointing out that there are others that have different preferences other than accuracy. For those who feel accuracy is lacking in Kemper, and want for something more accurate, there are plenty of options for them.

Does anyone in this debate disagree that a person can like what they like for whatever reason you have for liking it?

If you don’t disagree with that premise isn’t it a bit silly to selectively take umbrage with marketing speak and wax poetic about potential marketing failures?

No company has deprived a consumer of their competitions product. No company can eliminate another companies product. Only the market can do that.

Only Barnes can kill Barnes.

LOL. No argument from me. Like what you like as it is you God given right .

FWIW, I think Kemper has made some MAJOR marketing failures.

Is anyone here actually trying to argue the Kemper is more accurate than Tonex or NAM or whatever? I'm certainly not, there's more than enough clips of differences and I hear the "sameness" in high gain profiles and all that.

Not at all. Kemper is demonstrably not as accurate as Tonex or NAM (or even QC). Kemper is accurate enough for me, and many others, but not for everyone.

 

[LP59]

Broken record here but:-

" ... Profiles now analyze more than 100,000 individual frequency points to deliver the highest level of sonic accuracy possible, while Kemper’s Liquid Profiling transforms your profiles with gain and tone controls to capture the dynamic feel of tweaking a physical amplifier. Moreover, the MK 2 update features dynamically adjustable speaker and cabinet resonance to further sharpen the fidelity of your impulse responses ... "

No wiggle room. No maybe's. No buts / if's. No grey area. Nothing to debate.

Its either going to -objectively test - "as the best" or "as not the best".

Massive claims require massive deliveries.

I know this was discussed earlier in this thread, but that quote is not what it says on the Kemper web site (where did you get that quote?). Kemper is not saying anything about accuracy.

Edit: Ok, I see that quote came from Sweetwater. Kemper has given themselves all the wiggle room in the world since they're not saying anything about accuracy.

 

[Orvillain]

Is this issue here just debating personal preference?

@paisleywookiee and @Orvillain - you both said you want a profiler to be as accurate as possible

@OneEng - I think you're more concerned with having the total package including effects

So nobody's going to win this debate, although we can all certainly lose.

I've not been "debating" on this topic for a week now. I've made my points in as salient a way as I can. If the fucking melts around here can't fucking follow it, that aint my fucking problem.

 

[[Nathan]]

I think the new black look is pretty killer actually!

For all the shit its copping, the actual refresh on the colour scheme does look pretty slick, very death star control panel stuff

 

[Dimiguitar]

For all the shit its copping, the actual refresh on the colour scheme does look pretty slick, very death star control panel stuff

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I remember when the first, white Kemper came out. Looked like a hospital appliance. My first thoughts were: who on earth designs a guitar product to look this way?! Couldn't they ask someone, anyone, for some advice?

But then with time, I grew fond of how the toasters look, even the white ones. Just more personality and character than the usual guitar products, for my taste. My fractals look bland by comparison where as Kemper toasters I've had contributed to my guitar room aesthetic.

 

[dws2384]

I don't even know what the debate was over.

Kemper claimed the “most accurate and precise” profiling ever for MK2 which obviously led to excitement as many hoped that it would take a step up and rival other products.

They then changed that wording on the website to “the most powerful” and disassembled MK2 units found it using the same DSP chips as MK1. This led to discussion of doubts that it will be much better than MK1.

A few users have now been debating that accuracy doesn’t really matter because it ‘sounds good’ and there’s other things that matter more..other things which already exist in the product. Are we scared Kemper is going to remove those in exchange for higher quality profiling? lol. I don’t get that argument.

The point being missed by that crew is that you’ll always been able to profile in MK1 quality still (even on MK2 units) and directly on the device. Others, myself included were hoping to also have the option to profile in a higher quality closer to Tonex or NAM, which would be amazing as Kemper has done a lot of other things right over the years and it would make the product more compelling.

My opinion is that if it’s not a jump up to at least Tonex accuracy Kemper is going to have a hard time competing. There will be little reason for existing users to buy MK2 and not much to lure new buyers away from competitors products as more people switch to digital rigs.

I’m holding out a bit of hope that the new profiling will be pretty good when it’s released, you can keep telling me it doesn’t matter, but it does.

 

[dws2384]

I am certainly not debating my personal preference. I am pointing out that there are others that have different preferences other than accuracy. For those who feel accuracy is lacking in Kemper, and want for something more accurate, there are plenty of options for them.

If you were entering the market to buy a capturing device in 2025 I would assume one of your top concerns would be the accuracy of its main feature. As you said there are plenty of options doing this better than Kemper. You think this is a wise business strategy? Or one that will be successful long term?

 

[texhex]

Ah yes, the new product release thread. I remember the good old days...

 

[Jarick]

If you were entering the market to buy a capturing device in 2025 I would assume one of your top concerns would be the accuracy of its main feature. As you said there are plenty of options doing this better than Kemper. You think this is a wise business strategy? Or one that will be successful long term?

Here's my criteria for a hardware unit in 2025:

• Does it sound great?
• Do I have to tweak extensively to get a good sound?
• Is it relatively easy or even fun to use?
• Is there a proper suite of good sounding effects?
• Is it powerful enough to run lots of effects at once?
• Is the latency acceptable?
• Does it have a good number of ins and outs?
• Is there a good computer editor?
• Does it have USB audio?
• What is the price?
• Does the company have a good track record of development and support?

Null tests might cover one of those points, but not even close to all of them.