ian_dissonance
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paisleywookiee
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Can we get a study of Kemper owners, so we know precisely what percentage profiles their own amps? Where is it?
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When I had the Kemper, I did profile my own amplifiers, and I also profiled some friends. But, that said, I also bought captures as well.
What that says I don’t know. But I do know, that other friends who had Kemper did not profile their amps at all. They counted on the profiles that they bought being accurate to the amp that was profiled. In some cases, they are fairly accurate, but in other cases, not so much. That doesn’t say they don’t sound good, because they did. They just weren’t accurate to the real amplifier to my ears.
What that says I don’t know. But I do know, that other friends who had Kemper did not profile their amps at all. They counted on the profiles that they bought being accurate to the amp that was profiled. In some cases, they are fairly accurate, but in other cases, not so much. That doesn’t say they don’t sound good, because they did. They just weren’t accurate to the real amplifier to my ears.
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Broken record here but:-
" ... Profiles now analyze more than 100,000 individual frequency points to deliver the highest level of sonic accuracy possible, while Kemper’s Liquid Profiling transforms your profiles with gain and tone controls to capture the dynamic feel of tweaking a physical amplifier. Moreover, the MK 2 update features dynamically adjustable speaker and cabinet resonance to further sharpen the fidelity of your impulse responses ... "
No wiggle room. No maybe's. No buts / if's. No grey area. Nothing to debate.
Its either going to -objectively test - "as the best" or "as not the best".
Massive claims require massive deliveries.
paisleywookiee
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I still think it means that we don’t really know what the percentages are. I tend to believe what I see in person, not what I read online.
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That does not say that the Kemper will out perform all other capture technology products. It doesn’t leave wiggle room.
To me, it says the highest level of sonic accuracy possible. That means for the Kemper ecosystem. Or they will be able to say that. So there is still wiggle room.
Although honestly, I hope it is the best capture technology that is out there. If that is so, I have another one in my future.
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Idk, I agree but at the end of the day it's an advertisement. I'm sure they can wiggle out of it somehow. One could argue the use of "sonic" very much makes it subjective.
It "sounds" accurate can't be refuted.
This is where most of the people I know are as well. Probably half of them profiled their amp when they first got their Kemper, and the other half never profiled at all. Of the half that did, they either ALSO use paid/free rigs as well, or ONLY use paid/free rigs now.
I THINK the wiggle room is in the word "sonic" which could easily be interpreted to mean "you can't hear the difference".
A stronger statement would have been "most accurate reproduction distinguishable by any means" .... but "sonic" may well be a better marketing term and also provides some wiggle room should NAM still outperform MK2 in a null test.
So if you lived in rural Texas you would believe that 90% of people drive a pickup truck?
They didn't specify "The most accurate Kemper ever". I think they are going after the title, but giving themselves an out with "sonic".
Agree.
FWIW, here is what Chat GPT thinks about how many Kemper users profile their amps:
There is no official published statistic from Kemper on the exact percentage of users who profile their own amps, but based on industry discussions, user surveys from forums like TheGearPage, Reddit, and Kemper’s own community, here is a grounded estimate:
- 10–20% of Kemper users create their own profiles.
- 80–90% rely on commercial or free profiles shared by others (e.g., Tone Junkie, Michael Britt, ChopTones, Rig Exchange).
Why Most Users Don’t Profile Themselves:
- Profiling requires:
- A good recording environment
- A mic setup
- Reamping gear or access to the amp at gig volumes
- Many users are:
- Bedroom players, cover band musicians, or studio engineers who prefer convenience
- Touring musicians using known commercial packs for consistency
Insight:
Kemper’s Rig Exchange (free profiles) and the commercial profiler ecosystem have made it so easy to get professional sounds that most users never need to profile an amp themselves.
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Is this issue here just debating personal preference?
@paisleywookiee and @Orvillain - you both said you want a profiler to be as accurate as possible
@OneEng - I think you're more concerned with having the total package including effects
So nobody's going to win this debate, although we can all certainly lose.
@paisleywookiee and @Orvillain - you both said you want a profiler to be as accurate as possible
@OneEng - I think you're more concerned with having the total package including effects
So nobody's going to win this debate, although we can all certainly lose.
paisleywookiee
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Yep. I’m stating what I don’t like about the original Kemper, and what I was hoping for for the new one that they failed to deliver on.
I really don’t give a shit what anyone else thinks about the device, whether they’re happy with it, if they’re happy with their purchase, etc., if people like it, super. I think the company is incredibly arrogant to release what they have in 2025.
ian_dissonance
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It’s not even debating personal preference. It’s stating personal preference to move the line of the debate away from things that are for the most part measurable because preference doesn’t prefer measuring things. It’s actually kind of comical. We had the opposite in another thread where I guy said “this is my irrational preference and I understand it is both a minority and irrational” and people kept trying to debate him on why it is a preference and irrational for like two pages, lol. I swear some people are using ChatGPT to summarize a thread every time they come back and then responding to that (wrong, inaccurate) summary.
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Does anyone in this debate disagree that a person can like what they like for whatever reason you have for liking it?
If you don’t disagree with that premise isn’t it a bit silly to selectively take umbrage with marketing speak and wax poetic about potential marketing failures?
No company has deprived a consumer of their competitions product. No company can eliminate another companies product. Only the market can do that.
Only Barnes can kill Barnes.
If you don’t disagree with that premise isn’t it a bit silly to selectively take umbrage with marketing speak and wax poetic about potential marketing failures?
No company has deprived a consumer of their competitions product. No company can eliminate another companies product. Only the market can do that.
Only Barnes can kill Barnes.
My point is that there are likely plenty of people who will be delighted with the Kemper MK2 .... especially those who already purchased an MK1.
I am not trying to make anyone else feel they need to buy it .... especially if it isn't their cup of tea.
My point was that despite the misgivings stated in this thread about Kemper, there are likely plenty of people that will buy it.... or keep using their MK1 for the things it does do well.
Now, I do agree that by ignoring the Ui/Ux and other features, Kemper is going to have some strong competition from Line 6 Stadium (even if it didn't have capture) simply because features sell .... and so does color OLED scribble strips. I guess my contention is that Kemper is much more likely to lose sales because of these things than it will because of its profile accuracy.
NAM on the other hand is unlikely to take many sales opportunities away from Kemper. I don't believe that anyone that is interested in Kemper's strong points will be interested in NAM. This is, of course, a generality.
I am not trying to make anyone else feel they need to buy it .... especially if it isn't their cup of tea.
Agree.
My point was that despite the misgivings stated in this thread about Kemper, there are likely plenty of people that will buy it.... or keep using their MK1 for the things it does do well.
Now, I do agree that by ignoring the Ui/Ux and other features, Kemper is going to have some strong competition from Line 6 Stadium (even if it didn't have capture) simply because features sell .... and so does color OLED scribble strips. I guess my contention is that Kemper is much more likely to lose sales because of these things than it will because of its profile accuracy.
NAM on the other hand is unlikely to take many sales opportunities away from Kemper. I don't believe that anyone that is interested in Kemper's strong points will be interested in NAM. This is, of course, a generality.
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Yeah that's what I don't get.
Is anyone here actually trying to argue the Kemper is more accurate than Tonex or NAM or whatever? I'm certainly not, there's more than enough clips of differences and I hear the "sameness" in high gain profiles and all that.
If not then again I don't get the debates. Because at that point it's personal preference. Ginger or Mary Ann. Coke or Pepsi. Whatever.
Is anyone here actually trying to argue the Kemper is more accurate than Tonex or NAM or whatever? I'm certainly not, there's more than enough clips of differences and I hear the "sameness" in high gain profiles and all that.
If not then again I don't get the debates. Because at that point it's personal preference. Ginger or Mary Ann. Coke or Pepsi. Whatever.
ian_dissonance
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Really the only thing up for “debate” that I could see was that profiling/capturing is intended to create as close as possible to 1:1 of an amp sound and someone kept saying “most people don’t even capture their own amps” as if that has anything to do with the previous thing.
I am certainly not debating my personal preference. I am pointing out that there are others that have different preferences other than accuracy. For those who feel accuracy is lacking in Kemper, and want for something more accurate, there are plenty of options for them.
LOL. No argument from me. Like what you like as it is you God given right
.FWIW, I think Kemper has made some MAJOR marketing failures.
Not at all. Kemper is demonstrably not as accurate as Tonex or NAM (or even QC). Kemper is accurate enough for me, and many others, but not for everyone.
I know this was discussed earlier in this thread, but that quote is not what it says on the Kemper web site (where did you get that quote?). Kemper is not saying anything about accuracy.
Edit: Ok, I see that quote came from Sweetwater. Kemper has given themselves all the wiggle room in the world since they're not saying anything about accuracy.
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I've not been "debating" on this topic for a week now. I've made my points in as salient a way as I can. If the fucking melts around here can't fucking follow it, that aint my fucking problem.
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For all the shit its copping, the actual refresh on the colour scheme does look pretty slick, very death star control panel stuff
