KDH Putting in work (Victory Amps ownership)

[DrewJD82]

Yeah, none of that comes close to any deep level of analysis regarding whether the law was broken. That sounds like a standard “hey, we got a noise complaint” “yeah, I’ll turn it down sorry.” With nobody ever actually getting out a decibel meter to see if the noise level was actually in violation of the law.

Hahahha I run into stuff like this all the time at work. Seeing something in writing when it’s coming from a point of authority has the tendency to raise alarm bells or insinuate something is worse than it is. At work I regularly get notices that we’re in violation of something, they sound super serious, like I just “failed a fire inspection with a fire marshal” and we have several violations to correct, in actuality, I’m waiting on batteries for some Exit lights, the fire marshal said “Text me when you put the new batteries in, see ya next year!” and that was it.

At least twice a week I’m in my boss’s office explaining that “Code Violation Sec 7.23” usually just means someone has to replace a dead battery or change a lightbulb.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

I can’t speak for everyone, but I think any sort of backlash is towards the unnecessary levels of outrage, not the rules themselves.

So, sure, more disclosure is good. Did it require 9 pages here, and even more on TGP? No. Not really.

Ive heard your his next target. @Hawkmoon269's been talking to him. It's about time someone looked into your adblocking and how your depriving the other place of much needed ad revenue. It's just not right! If everyone blocked ads they'd have to raise their membership rates! It's a scandal and a disgrace I say.

Wait till you see how many pages this goes to on TGP.

 

[DrewJD82]

Damnit, Lee Anderton just hit me up and said because @paisleywookiee uses an adblock and he has to tell people he gave Victory money, Anderton’s is broke now.

So as of now, this forum is now Anderton’s TGF, use of an adblock is STRICTLY prohibited.

Also, not sure if you guys knew this yet or not, but I’m now a Victory Amps artist! They’re AMAZING amps, they’re all I’ve ever used. It’s actually a Victory amp chassis inside my AxefX.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I'd say we are in agreement -- to me that's just rephrasing of the same thing -- He builds scandal by not just reporting facts, but by making it seem like there are moral choices and legal implications to those facts that make them scandalous.

Hence why KDH has been coined the "low budget TMZ of the gear world".

How dare I indeed!

Ive heard your his next target. @Hawkmoon269's been talking to him. It's about time someone looked into your adblocking and how your depriving the other place of much needed ad revenue. It's just not right! If everyone blocked ads they'd have to raise their membership rates! It's a scandal and a disgrace I say.

Wait till you see how many pages this goes to on TGP.

Damnit, Lee Anderton just hit me up and said because @paisleywookiee uses an adblock and he has to tell people he gave Victory money, Anderton’s is broke now.

So as of now, this forum is now Anderton’s TGF, use of an adblock is STRICTLY prohibited.

Also, not sure if you guys knew this yet or not, but I’m now a Victory Amps artist! They’re AMAZING amps, they’re all I’ve ever used. It’s actually a Victory amp chassis inside my AxefX.

Well, technically I'm not using an ad blocker, per se. It's a content filter meant to protect the end user from harmful scripting on websites, which has the side effect of usually (well, always) blocking ads.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

Well, technically I'm not using an ad blocker, per se. It's a content filter meant to protect the end user from harmful scripting on websites, which has the side effect of usually (well, always) blocking ads.

Well I say we let the lawyers, Ad Blocking specialists and consumer rights advocates over at TGP decide this.

Their judgment will probably be

Because it always is.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Well I say we let the lawyers, Ad Blocking specialists and consumer rights advocates over at TGP decide this.

Their judgment will probably be

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Because it always is.

I read this in that stupid a$$ Waterboy voice

 

[SillyOctpuss]

I read this in that stupid a$$ Waterboy voice

 

[FuzzyAce]

I read this in that stupid a$$ Waterboy voice

I read all of y'alls posts like that.

 

[JiveTurkey]

"ANDERTON TOUCHES THE HINEY"

 

[mpexus]

 

[laxu]

That's not my issue with KDH tbh. It's the negativity in his channel of trying to find or manufacture scandal in order to grow his monitized youtube page.

There's plenty of scandals in this world that bother me but a retailer making youtube videos to sell you things isn't one of them.

Absolutely this. I watched the video and it presents the matter almost like he's found some big scoop but it's basically nothing. It seems made with ulterior motives (views and controversy), he could have just asked Lee Anderton about it, and if not satisfied with the answer, contacted ASA and let them handle it. There was zero need for a long ass YT video about it.

All it did was make the people on TGP who already didn't like Andertons, dig out their pitchforks. Some of the comments in that thread are wild.

 

[aivoryuk]

I honestly believe that Lee had the right to keep his ownership secret.

Asking to declare where he invested his money is just like asking a shop to declare the profit margin of the products they sell because "people have the right to know".

It's nonsense.

unfortunately in the UK you can't do that.

Andertons regularly do blind test videos so if they did an amplifier shootout involving Victory and that amp came out on top it could seen as biased as they would potentially benefit from sales..

Similar to this are Influencers and product demonstrators (certainly in the UK) have to declare if they have been paid to demonstrate/promote something.

It also extends outside of products as the UK Prime Minister broke ministerial code as he promoted a childcare policy which benefited the company the his wife owns/has shares in.

You have to have transparency.

 

[Orvillain]

It also extends outside of products as the UK Prime Minister broke ministerial code as he promoted a childcare policy which benefited the company the his wife owns/has shares in.

I care more about that than I do this Victory shenanigans, to be fair.

Victory Amps are crap anyway. Let me know when they do a two channel amp that is actually usable.

<ducks>

 

[HotRats]

unfortunately in the UK you can't do that.

Andertons regularly do blind test videos so if they did an amplifier shootout involving Victory and that amp came out on top it could seen as biased as they would potentially benefit from sales..

Similar to this are Influencers and product demonstrators (certainly in the UK) have to declare if they have been paid to demonstrate/promote something.

It also extends outside of products as the UK Prime Minister broke ministerial code as he promoted a childcare policy which benefited the company the his wife owns/has shares in.

You have to have transparency.

As I've written before....when anderton's does a blind test not involving Victory, do we have the right to know their profit margin of each product involved because if the gear more profitable for them came out on top it could seen as biased as they would potentially benefit from sales?

don't you see the nonsense, here?

We're not talking about a channel run by an influencer here, we're talking about the shop channel made for advertising gear and the shop.

You have to have transparency.

not always.

 

[aivoryuk]

As I've written before....when anderton's does a blind test not involving Victory, do we have the right to know their profit margin of each product involved because if the gear more profitable for them came out on top it could seen as biased as they would potentially benefit from sales?

don't you see the nonsense, here?

We're not talking about a channel run by an influencer here, we're talking about the shop channel made for advertising gear and the shop.



not always.

But in the UK (as many have stated) there are laws that you have to be declare your interests it really is that simple profit margin does not come into this.

The original video points out that when Andertons were making videos with people like chappers they will point out if they have affiliations to they gear they are demonstrating but Lee did not.

 

[HotRats]

But in the UK (as many have stated) there are laws that you have to be declare your interests it really is that simple profit margin does not come into this.

The original video points out that when Andertons were making videos with people like chappers they will point out if they have affiliations to they gear they are demonstrating but Lee did not.

Is not that simple, actually.
1st. As far as we know the shareholder is Lee himself and not his shop. Looks like a subtle difference but it is not.

2nd. The content created by the shop is already advertisment so there's no confusion there.
When you watch anderton's channel you know that.
Why they decide to test, demo or review something is none of our business.

3rd. Laws and rules are written with a goal in mind and should be applied within the limits of that goal. The goal of the rules we are all referring is avoiding hidden advertising and that's not the case.

4th Transparency has a value but privacy has a value too. This is a case where privacy has more value than transparency. Victory amps has 9 shareolders that decided to remain hidden using a type of contract that it's in the UK laws and give them the right to remain hidden.

 

[Life Eats Life]

Yeah same here. I actually carried a stash of a hundred or so issues of GW through a couple moves, before I realized if I ever wanted the tabs they’re all online now anyway, and most of the issues have been digitized.

I do sorta miss most print and physical media. I tried converting over to online subscriptions for a couple papers a few years back, but every time I’d sit down to read them I just ended up on Reddit after about 10 minutes. Phones and tablets give you the attention span of a squirrel. lol

I actually had more GW magazines then ‘stroker magazines.
The Mesa Boogie ads were the shizzit’!

I miss Mad Magazine fold-ins on the backside of the magazines as well as
choose your own adventure books.

Btw, I never read the paragraph’s before you choose the adventure’s.
-I went straight to the choices & I imagined I read
the paragraphs.
Choose your own paragraph?

 

[the-trooper]

Is not that simple, actually.

Do you know something that the UK ASA and Anderton (and maybe his lawyers) don't know?

This is a forum where we can beat a heard of dead horses about what we like or not in videos and gear and sweet pickles and sliders... But to discus intricacies of UK legislative system is just silly, to put it mildly.
It is that simple, actually.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Do you know something that the UK ASA and Anderton (and maybe his lawyers) don't know?

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This is a forum where we can beat a heard of dead horses about what we like or not in videos and gear and sweet pickles and sliders... But to discus intricacies of UK legislative system is just silly, to put it mildly.
It is that simple, actually.

One need not be a lawyer to recognize that the law in question is entirely unclear about whether Lee Anderton, when appearing in videos to be shared on Anderton's Music's YouTube channel, not his own, would need to make any disclosure. Loads of unanswered questions there that I'm sure the folks at the ASA didn't know the answers to as well -- most importantly what exactly is the legal relationship between Lee and Anderton's Music? Given that I'm sure the answer to that is not "oh, yeah, uh, actually, Lee is the sole owner of the Anderton's YouTube account" things are super murky. Which takes us back to this being a lot more like "Hey, we got a noise complaint, do you mind keeping things quiet?" "Oh, sorry, I'll make sure I keep things down" and the issue being resolved without it ever being clear at all whether a law was ever broken.

 

[HotRats]

Do you know something that the UK ASA and Anderton (and maybe his lawyers) don't know?

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This is a forum where we can beat a heard of dead horses about what we like or not in videos and gear and sweet pickles and sliders... But to discus intricacies of UK legislative system is just silly, to put it mildly.
It is that simple, actually.

Take @Boudoir Guitar answer as was mine.