It don’t matter cause the audience can’t tell the difference..

To me personally "how the audience hears a guitar tone" is not as important as how people make it out to be. I'm the one PLAYING the guitar. I didn't start playing guitar to please the audience, I started playing to please myself! But in the end if you get better at creating guitar tones and your ears get more attuned to it as well (and you'll hear minor differences more clearly as well), the audience will probably appreciate it as well, because they'll get to hear a tone in which you put your heart and soul (and years of experience) into. To how a guitarist experiences his tone by him (or her)self, is VERY important!
 
Nobody's mentioned being an audience member yet, but seeing John Petrucci on his last solo tour, with a 2nd-row seat, seated about 25 feet from, and inline with, his amps, I definitely appreciated how much he focuses on his tone. It was hands-down the most glorious sound I'd ever heard at a live show, and the way his delayed notes cascaded over one another in stereo during the melodic solos, put an ear-to-ear grin on my face! I'll never forget it!! :chef
 
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Eric Johnson, Joe Bonamassa, etc are Rembrandts
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Nobody's mentioned being an audience member yet, but seeing John Petrucci on his last solo tour, with a 2nd-row seat, seated about 25 feet from, and inline with, his amps, I definitely appreciated how much he focuses on his tone. It was hands-down the most glorious sound I'd ever heard at a live show, and the way his delayed notes cascaded over one another in stereo during the melodic solos, put an ear-to-ear grin on my face! I'll never forget it!! :chef
Yeah DT is a good example of an audience that largely cares about this kind of thing. Not everyone of course, but a large part of their audience certainly does.
 
To answer the OP: I absolutely agree.

And as far as any audience is concerned, this is how I see things:

Once I'm playing for an audience, I need to at least somewhat "deliver" what is being asked for.
When playing original material, it's possibly somewhat less important, but in case I don't care at all I need to be prepared to not play for any audiences pretty soon anymore.
When being paid, it's absolutely obvious that I have to care what the person hiring me (and/or the audience) wants, otherwise I won't be playing paid gigs anymore.
So much about certain prerequisites.

Part of that "delivering for the audience" is to present yourself well. This includes playing as good as you can within the realm of what you were asked to play - it obviously doesn't make much sense to fire off your chuggachugga riffs over "Tea For Two". And talking about the latter, I found it to be a very wise idea to take these songs every bit as serious as any wicked fusion gig, even if you might at first think that this stuff is way below your level or simply not demanding enough of you as a proficient player.

Now, playing as good as you can is as well related to sound. You will only deliver your best performance in case you have the best possible sound (of course the general conditions need to be considered, there's just no way to bring a fullstack for a hotel lobby bar jazz gig, even in case it might be the best sound).

None of these are anything the audience will directly notice. Your playing should always deliver enough headroom and your sound should always at least exceed some minimal requirements.
And yet, of course the audience will notice - because of the entire package. Which is even more true when you're playing with a band. Your bandmates may notice you're not playing as good as possible. They may as well notice you're not sounding as good as possible. And last but certainly not least, *you* will notice both. And it'll annoy your bandmates and yourself. Then let's assume your bandmates are doing it the same. You will then see them not caring at all and as a result, you won't feel inspired to do it differently. There's your downward spiral.
A lowest common denominator strategy has never been proven to be a great thing.

Then add this: What if there's some "important" folks in the audience? Maybe some with more musical understanding. Maybe the guys who would like to hire a band one day in the future. What are the odds they will hire a band doing it "so it barely works", especially in this tough market when you can find bands playing their asses off regardless of the environment?

Bottomline: Play each and every gig as if it was important.

And well, I know about all this quite a bit because I had to learn it the hard way myself.
 
nit: SansAmps can sound awesome. The guy really likes that DI tone, and it makes perfect sense - it's a great compliment to Kruspe's crunchy Dual Rectos.

I've heard nothing but good things about Landers' signature pedal.
It’s pretty good. I think they discontinued it though, unfortunately.
 
nit: SansAmps can sound awesome. The guy really likes that DI tone, and it makes perfect sense - it's a great compliment to Kruspe's crunchy Dual Rectos.

I've heard nothing but good things about Landers' signature pedal.
I have his signature pedal. Love it.

We also use a fly rig for bass.

Huge SansAmp fan here since always.
 
To answer the OP: I absolutely agree.

And as far as any audience is concerned, this is how I see things:

Once I'm playing for an audience, I need to at least somewhat "deliver" what is being asked for.
When playing original material, it's possibly somewhat less important, but in case I don't care at all I need to be prepared to not play for any audiences pretty soon anymore.
When being paid, it's absolutely obvious that I have to care what the person hiring me (and/or the audience) wants, otherwise I won't be playing paid gigs anymore.
So much about certain prerequisites.

Part of that "delivering for the audience" is to present yourself well. This includes playing as good as you can within the realm of what you were asked to play - it obviously doesn't make much sense to fire off your chuggachugga riffs over "Tea For Two". And talking about the latter, I found it to be a very wise idea to take these songs every bit as serious as any wicked fusion gig, even if you might at first think that this stuff is way below your level or simply not demanding enough of you as a proficient player.

Now, playing as good as you can is as well related to sound. You will only deliver your best performance in case you have the best possible sound (of course the general conditions need to be considered, there's just no way to bring a fullstack for a hotel lobby bar jazz gig, even in case it might be the best sound).

None of these are anything the audience will directly notice. Your playing should always deliver enough headroom and your sound should always at least exceed some minimal requirements.
And yet, of course the audience will notice - because of the entire package. Which is even more true when you're playing with a band. Your bandmates may notice you're not playing as good as possible. They may as well notice you're not sounding as good as possible. And last but certainly not least, *you* will notice both. And it'll annoy your bandmates and yourself. Then let's assume your bandmates are doing it the same. You will then see them not caring at all and as a result, you won't feel inspired to do it differently. There's your downward spiral.
A lowest common denominator strategy has never been proven to be a great thing.

Then add this: What if there's some "important" folks in the audience? Maybe some with more musical understanding. Maybe the guys who would like to hire a band one day in the future. What are the odds they will hire a band doing it "so it barely works", especially in this tough market when you can find bands playing their asses off regardless of the environment?

Bottomline: Play each and every gig as if it was important.

And well, I know about all this quite a bit because I had to learn it the hard way myself.
Thnx for this perspective!

“: Play each and every gig as if it was important”…good summary!
With a bunch of factors sometimes making that hard…logistics, keeping cost down, managing your time, gigs with music that don’t light your candle or highly predictable/repetative gigs.

Anecdotal:
I played in a band operating in a relatively high level segment, backing national artists, posh parties/events. Besides the singer (and bandleader)…each and everyone in that band lost all form of ambition…the running joke: guys, it’s gonna be a great night, but let’s do the show first. It paid the bills, but I lost pride in what I did. And it is a game of individuals influencing one another like you say, where individuals can trigger the spiral to the bottom.

Anecdotal2:
Weddingband I used to be nr2 on the list (which meant getting a call for 50% of the gigs), 2 speakers on poles, an envelope with 250,- in your back pocket when your done..that kinda vibe.
You never knew who you would play with cause it was a “agendafiller” band, so the line up almost never was the same. But people always delivered like it was the last gig of their life, everyone played their ass off.. Always great fun…and happy customers!
 
With a bunch of factors sometimes making that hard…logistics, keeping cost down, managing your time, gigs with music that don’t light your candle or highly predictable/repetative gigs.

Of course, it's pretty tough sometimes. Example: Last year I was asked to sub for a party band playing lotsa kinda bavarian-ish half-traditional songs mainly made to make people consume alcohol. And as if that wasn't enough already, there's no sheets so it was live ear training for me (these songs modulate a lot and you never know whether the next chord out of the previous key is the tonic, dominant or subdominant because there's no 7ths pretty much at all). And as if that wasn't enough already, I even had to wear some typical leather pants.
There you go, everything a horror show needs. But in the end, it turned out much better as those guys really knew how to play their horns (bass trombone included) and the accordionist was even fantastic. So I just had to kinda "flow" with them and it even was sort of fun.

I played in a band operating in a relatively high level segment, backing national artists, posh parties/events. Besides the singer (and bandleader)…each and everyone in that band lost all form of ambition…the running joke: guys, it’s gonna be a great night, but let’s do the show first. It paid the bills, but I lost pride in what I did. And it is a game of individuals influencing one another like you say, where individuals can trigger the spiral to the bottom.

I know that kinda thing pretty much 1:1.

Weddingband I used to be nr2 on the list (which meant getting a call for 50% of the gigs), 2 speakers on poles, an envelope with 250,- in your back pocket when your done..that kinda vibe.
You never knew who you would play with cause it was a “agendafiller” band, so the line up almost never was the same. But people always delivered like it was the last gig of their life, everyone played their ass off.. Always great fun…and happy customers!

And again, I know that thing pretty much exactly.

Really, it'll only turn into fun in case you try your best yourself.
 
Despite the name and some of the motifs, that's more a jazz album. But it's definitely brilliant.

Freddie Freeloader is a straight up 12 bar blues, and All Blues is a 12 bar blues with a twist. Definitely a lot of modal jazz on the album, but there is blues in there as well.

My point was just that the idea that no new blues song has been written in the last 70 years is ridiculous
 
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What's being missed (by some) on this whole discussion here is it's not one type of gig being more "important" than the other.

It's about what is important for that gig. The statement "the audience doesn't care" is never a blanket statement about everything. It's always "the audience doesn't care about X"

X being the variable from one type of gig to another. If you're putting together a Pop Music gig and ask if "should we bring a huge backline of amps" the answer could be "nah the audience doesn't care about that, let's focus our resources on a killer stage show, dancers, pyro whatever".

If you're putting together a guitar instrumental concert and ask "hey should we have a laser light show?" the answer would be "nah the audience doesn't care about that, let's have the full guitar rig and best possible sound" etc...

No budget is infinite. Some are very large, but never infinite. And even with very large budgets, they will put it towards more of what their audience actually wants.

Anyone who has managed projects/budgets etc (outside of music even) knows that seesawing.

And with smaller acts, sometimes this is even a show stopper. I lost count of how many small/mid bands I've heard say, "if we had to carry our full rigs all the time, there are many places we wouldn't even be able to go". In that case. what's best? The band with modelling or no show at all? That's especially true for places outside of North America or the EU.

Obviously the ideal case would be to have everything at all times, but very few artists live in that scenario.
 
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