DieSchmalle
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I think the stock gain stuff is great. I could play hard rock riffs on some of them for days.
IK Multimedia TONEX
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Jarick
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Okay it took a few hours of updating and screwing around but I figured out how to get the Tonex Editor connected to all the crap I bought last November and the ToneNET models.
Since I got a ton of Tonex collections as part of the group buy last year, I have over 1000 factory models to pick from on top of I think close to 50,000 user uploads. Sorting amps by "Amp Based On" really helps. I struggled before but now I can see what I have easier.
I REALLY like the Mesa Boogie collection. The Dual Rectifier in particular sounds awesome, like what I imagined in my head a Dual Rec sounded like when I was a kid and really wanted one, but much better than the actual amps I played back then because I had no idea how to dial one in (and I still don't). It makes me want to mess around with the real deal again.
The clean Dumble sounds really nice too, as do some of the Fender cleans.
I put the Tonex in the loop of my FM9 because why not...helps to use the effects from the Fractal and I can A/B switch quickly between the Fractal amp/cab and Tonex. There is a tiny bit of added latency but it's not too bad.
Overall, the Tonex stuff seems a bit more compressed sounding than the Fractal off the hop with a little less high and low extension. Most of these are the V1 captures though so the V2 may be a bit different. I didn't like most of the V2 ToneNET stuff and all the collections I bought are V1 so sticking with that.
Tonex is noisier though with higher gain and the built in noise gate is pretty bad. Seems like some captures are better than others though.
I will say though compared to the Kemper (from memory as I sold mine again), the Tonex stuff sounds better. It doesn't have a stuffy midrange, the highs and lows are less shelved, and I just generally like what I hear more.
Since I got a ton of Tonex collections as part of the group buy last year, I have over 1000 factory models to pick from on top of I think close to 50,000 user uploads. Sorting amps by "Amp Based On" really helps. I struggled before but now I can see what I have easier.
I REALLY like the Mesa Boogie collection. The Dual Rectifier in particular sounds awesome, like what I imagined in my head a Dual Rec sounded like when I was a kid and really wanted one, but much better than the actual amps I played back then because I had no idea how to dial one in (and I still don't). It makes me want to mess around with the real deal again.
The clean Dumble sounds really nice too, as do some of the Fender cleans.
I put the Tonex in the loop of my FM9 because why not...helps to use the effects from the Fractal and I can A/B switch quickly between the Fractal amp/cab and Tonex. There is a tiny bit of added latency but it's not too bad.
Overall, the Tonex stuff seems a bit more compressed sounding than the Fractal off the hop with a little less high and low extension. Most of these are the V1 captures though so the V2 may be a bit different. I didn't like most of the V2 ToneNET stuff and all the collections I bought are V1 so sticking with that.
Tonex is noisier though with higher gain and the built in noise gate is pretty bad. Seems like some captures are better than others though.
I will say though compared to the Kemper (from memory as I sold mine again), the Tonex stuff sounds better. It doesn't have a stuffy midrange, the highs and lows are less shelved, and I just generally like what I hear more.
dean701
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Keep in mind that when you put things in the Fractal loop, FAS is adding some 'Fractalness'. IMO the Tonex sounds way better when the guitar goes straight into the Tonex.
Shask
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I have been liking ToneX better for my high gain chug stuff than my Fractal. I find it has a more immediate punchy feel, and sounds more like an amp, instead of a recording of an amp.
Making my own V2 captures is what really pushed the bar. Capturing my own tube amps through loadboxes is basically giving me my tones in a digital format. I agree some of the captures are noisy, but mine come out pretty quiet. I really think how it is captured makes a big difference on noise. I use transformer isolated boxes and isolated power supplies, so they end up pretty quiet. I do agree the noise gate sucks. I am really hoping they update it one day. I know they have the technology, as Amplitube has some good gates/NR.
I just got a Plug today, so looking forward to checking it out in that format. It is nice to be able to use the same sounds in a plugin, in a pedal, and a headphone unit.
Shask
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I find this always happens. That is one reason I dont like to use my Fractals in the loop of my tube amps without a parallel mixer for effects.
Shask
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If you like high gain metal chug sounds (and some medium gain -> higher gain Marshall type sounds), I have shared several of the Tone Models I have made. You can see if you like any of these.
Jarick
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So the horrendous noise issue seems to be related to USB. If I unplug then the issue goes away, and if I plug in then it comes back. Tried three different cables and different USB ports and same issue.
Trying to load a few profiles so I can run it unplugged but now the connection keeps dropping constantly forcing me to unplug and plug back in or restart.
Don't think this pedal will last the week before getting returned. Maybe I ought to get rid of my iLoud Precision monitors before those stop working too.
Trying to load a few profiles so I can run it unplugged but now the connection keeps dropping constantly forcing me to unplug and plug back in or restart.
Don't think this pedal will last the week before getting returned. Maybe I ought to get rid of my iLoud Precision monitors before those stop working too.
dean701
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The full sized tonex pedal doesn't require usb power as it has its own power supply. You can put masking tape over the power/ground pins on the usb cable or use a usb power isolator.
EOengineer
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I like the Boogie collection as well. They included a number of tones I find very usable.
If you’re exploring the Recto sound, I have a handful of V2 captures that span the vintage and modern channels as well as the channel cloning. I guess you could consider it kind of a Recto sampler platter.
Alrighty, I've been dipping my toes back into capturing some of my amps and humbly submit a small batch for my friends here. For those with hardware, these are setup to translate accurately to the Tonex harware with trim at 0.
- 1998 revision G Dual Rectifier
- fresh caps
- fresh JJ EL34s
- Solid State Rectification
- Bold switch
- Tung-Sol in V1
- a whole lot of attitude.
If you like Rectos, you will probably enjoy some of these. If you are Recto-curious, start with the crunch patches, plug in single coils and roll your guitar volume down a touch, there...
Sascha Franck
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I use one of IK offerings out of the ODS collection a lot (fwiw, I own Tonex Max), but I replaced the embedded cab (which sometimes works surprisingly well, even if things may not sound authentic anymore). In the model description it says something like "Unique #80", but due to IK's completely abysmal search system, I can't point you straight to the patch from the collection it is from.
As said, it might absolutely be worth checking your favourite cab IRs even on stuff that has was captured with a cab. I sometimes like these combinations more than the DI version of the same patch with the same IR, go figure,
ACSlater
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That's absolutely not normal behavior of a Tonex Pedal. I've used 3 different Pedals and none had this. Try it on another pc and if it's still an issue, return the unit as it's probably faulty.
ChordInversion
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I gather from the fact that X-Gear pedals seem to be slowly vanishing from U.S. retailers that not only is an editor not coming, but the pedals may soon be abandonware after very few updates. It's a shame. They had solid potential, but IMO were half-finished.
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To be fair I was talking about a standalone editor. Note that AmpliTube 5 has been integrated as an editor directly since they were released. You can move presets back and forth with the virtual versions inside AmpliTube 5 as well as manage the presets on your X-GEAR pedal (re-order etc) right in there.
ChordInversion
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True, but that's a few extra steps. With most editors, I can edit/save directly to the pedal and hear it in real time through the amp the pedal is plugged into. Instead, last I tried it, I had to fire up AmpliTube, select the virtual pedal, listen through headphones or monitors with an AmpliTube amp that's kinda/sorta similar to my amp, then move the preset over and dial it in again on the unit with the amp/other pedals. It's a considerable bit of extra fiddling every time I want to make a preset. I find myself using other pedals for speed.
Has that workflow changed?
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I received my ToneX One 2 days ago. Previous did not unregister before sending the pedal but IK kindly did it for me.
I played with it yesterday, I bought Amalgam packs and chose among them and the top 10 of ToneNet. The app is not a model of intuitivity. To test a model, you have to make one of the 3 models on the pedal. It would have been more convenient to have like a buffer slot, where you put the test amps. As it is, I overwrite tones I liked and forgot what they were, because lots of Tones have very close names.
Also, copying a tone from one slot to another should not copy the color of the led, because most of the copy paste is just to rearrange the tones. I would have appreciated to be able to slide a tone to rearrange all the others, like on my Ampero. Maybe it's possible, but I did not see the function.
Apart that, the sound is great, it will go on my main pedal board, probably between loop 1 and loop 2 of my FXL8.
Question : How do you level the output volume of all the tones ? I recorded a loop before the ToneX One, and went from tone to tone, 20 times, and dialed the volume so that it's consistant, but my hears are far from perfect and I'm sure I did that poorly.
I played with it yesterday, I bought Amalgam packs and chose among them and the top 10 of ToneNet. The app is not a model of intuitivity. To test a model, you have to make one of the 3 models on the pedal. It would have been more convenient to have like a buffer slot, where you put the test amps. As it is, I overwrite tones I liked and forgot what they were, because lots of Tones have very close names.
Also, copying a tone from one slot to another should not copy the color of the led, because most of the copy paste is just to rearrange the tones. I would have appreciated to be able to slide a tone to rearrange all the others, like on my Ampero. Maybe it's possible, but I did not see the function.
Apart that, the sound is great, it will go on my main pedal board, probably between loop 1 and loop 2 of my FXL8.
Question : How do you level the output volume of all the tones ? I recorded a loop before the ToneX One, and went from tone to tone, 20 times, and dialed the volume so that it's consistant, but my hears are far from perfect and I'm sure I did that poorly.
Progressive_disclosure
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Yeah I usually tried out captures in the Player app using an audio interface instead. Way too cumbersome to demo straight on the pedal.
When connected to your computer check the settings and try changing the input gain dial as well to see what works best for your captures and guitars. The default is set high, so many here has gotten better results by dialing it back, even to zero. Then you can always increase the gain on the capture gain if a specific capture requires more. Experiment and try to find a middle ground for the general setting is my advice.
I think some of the others here could chip in on how to level the outputs. I just did it by ear with the big knob on the pedal but I play at home so that worked OK for me.
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Chocol8
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By ear is better.
Shask
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Yeah, I do all demoing, tweaking, etc... using the program on the computer. I don't mess with the pedal until I am ready to just dump the sound on there. Easier workflow
