IK Multimedia TONEX

Sascha Franck said:
If you point me to any capture on ToneNET, I could just give it a try.

Fwiw, it's highly recommended to lower the input gain on the device. I know it's happening in the digital domain, but plenty of 3rd party captures are pretty much over-gained IMO (and I'm not alone with that opinion). My input gain is at 0dB, default is +8, IIRC.
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One that was really bad was the Matt Fig JEL V2 profile, that's one that sent me into feedback. I did lower mine to +3 I think but maybe worth trying 0. I would also lower the gain knob a tick. I'm using a PAF level humbucker with slightly hot single coils in my main guitar, not that hot at all.

I kept hearing on higher gain profiles it sounded really flat and compressed across the board.
 
Jarick said:
One that was really bad was the Matt Fig JEL V2 profile, that's one that sent me into feedback. I did lower mine to +3 I think but maybe worth trying 0. I would also lower the gain knob a tick. I'm using a PAF level humbucker with slightly hot single coils in my main guitar, not that hot at all.

I kept hearing on higher gain profiles it sounded really flat and compressed across the board.
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If you're playing with humbuckers you'll need it at the highest at 0.0db input trim
 
Jarick said:
One that was really bad was the Matt Fig JEL V2 profile, that's one that sent me into feedback. I did lower mine to +3 I think but maybe worth trying 0. I would also lower the gain knob a tick. I'm using a PAF level humbucker with slightly hot single coils in my main guitar, not that hot at all.

I kept hearing on higher gain profiles it sounded really flat and compressed across the board.
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Sounds like something is up with your setup. I use super high gain, use high output humbuckers, and keep the input trim at +3. Most of my sounds are pretty quiet. I find them to be more dynamic than other modelers such as Fractal and Line 6.

Try some if you like high gain chunky tones.

www.tone.net

ToneNET

TONEX Tone Model sharing community
www.tone.net www.tone.net
 
So @Jarick, this is the Matt Fig capture linked above. TXO, powered by a (pretty lame ass) Boss PSU, guitar straight in, output into a Palmer Pan 01 (need that one for ground lifting), XLR into Motu M2.
In the beginning and end the guitar volume is turned all the way down (fwiw, indonesian Schecter Nick Johnston, bridge pickup, which is a SD designed one I snagged off a Framus Diablo, nothing with too much output, seems to sit between a JB and a PAF).
Needless to say, no noise gates were harmed.



I think even with the guitar volume up, the noise level is quite acceptable (even a traditionally post-placed gate in the GT-1000 gets rid of that noise with very civil threshold values and almost zero impact on the dynamics). I also normalized the entire file and then measured the peak of the part with the guitar volume turned down, came in at around -71dB.
For that kinda gainy amp, I actually think that this is quite excellent.
 
I did get a chance to play through some profiles with the input trim turned down to 0 and it's much better from a noise standpoint without the feedback issues. Oddly when setting the input level the Tonex keeps telling me my volume is way too low.

Anyways I'm trying to do a capture of my Friedman JJ Junior again now, apparently it takes 90 minutes to process so I'll check back later and see how that went.
 
Okay first V2 capture is completed and loaded to ToneNET! I think it sounds pretty damn good, it's a little hot gain but with the right IR it sounds like my amp!

Also whatever the latest version of Tonex software is, no hardware just direct, seems to be working pretty well and better than the hardware only.
 
Jarick said:
Okay first V2 capture is completed and loaded to ToneNET! I think it sounds pretty damn good, it's a little hot gain but with the right IR it sounds like my amp!

Also whatever the latest version of Tonex software is, no hardware just direct, seems to be working pretty well and better than the hardware only.
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I think what takes ToneX from good to amazing is capturing your own amps at your settings. Way better than what I get fiddling with 50 controls on other units.
 
Sascha Franck said:
It really doesn't have a "sound". It's the sound of the captures. In case the source is good and the capture was taken properly, the sound is good, too. That's pretty much a necessity.
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Yeah, agree.

One factor We often ignore is that real amps... not always sound good. Obviously, some amps sound better than others. And many times, one can be more satisfied with a digital tone made with a modeler than a tone made with a real amplifier.

Capturing will just be an accurate way of cloning an amp tone. Wether you like it or not... is another story.

And, here I keep on saying that all the gain guess, all the things that can go different in some capturing platforms, add to the psoibility of having not so good captures when sombedy elses load them, with his guitar, his gain settings, etc. And that´s why I prefer built-in capturing units, because they get rid of a lot of those uncertainty factors... which equals to peace of mind.
 
Sedaxel said:
Yeah, agree.

One factor We often ignore is that real amps... not always sound good. Obviously, some amps sound better than others. And many times, one can be more satisfied with a digital tone made with a modeler than a tone made with a real amplifier.

Capturing will just be an accurate way of cloning an amp tone. Wether you like it or not... is another story.

And, here I keep on saying that all the gain guess, all the things that can go different in some capturing platforms, add to the psoibility of having not so good captures when sombedy elses load them, with his guitar, his gain settings, etc. And that´s why I prefer built-in capturing units, because they get rid of a lot of those uncertainty factors... which equals to peace of mind.
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This is the truth: capturing capability alone is not a guarantee of a good tone. There are so many variables, as mentioned. Worth noting that some part of the room sound will also be playing a factor, such as nodes or flutter due to proximity to walls and a lack of sound treatment.

I'm quite intrigued by the Tonex, but have never tried one unfortunately. The price is a huge attraction, but like @Sedaxel , I prefer to have everything done in the box, though I am well aware that the compute power of a machine far surpasses anything we might get out of the processors and chips used in a tiny machine.
 
nightlight said:
This is the truth: capturing capability alone is not a guarantee of a good tone. There are so many variables, as mentioned. Worth noting that some part of the room sound will also be playing a factor, such as nodes or flutter due to proximity to walls and a lack of sound treatment.

I'm quite intrigued by the Tonex, but have never tried one unfortunately. The price is a huge attraction, but like @Sedaxel , I prefer to have everything done in the box, though I am well aware that the compute power of a machine far surpasses anything we might get out of the processors and chips used in a tiny machine.
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Well, you can take those room factors out of the equation with direct captures, which don´t depend on external noise, room reflections or whatever. Then you can couple them to an IR if you´re amplifying with FRFRs or just use a real guitar cab.
 
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nightlight said:
This is the truth: capturing capability alone is not a guarantee of a good tone. There are so many variables, as mentioned. Worth noting that some part of the room sound will also be playing a factor, such as nodes or flutter due to proximity to walls and a lack of sound treatment.

I'm quite intrigued by the Tonex, but have never tried one unfortunately. The price is a huge attraction, but like @Sedaxel , I prefer to have everything done in the box, though I am well aware that the compute power of a machine far surpasses anything we might get out of the processors and chips used in a tiny machine.
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One thing I like about ToneX is that it is done on the computer. Your sounds are not stuck in a box that will become obsolete over time. ToneX can work as a VST plugin, in a pedal, or a headphone unit. No other current system has that flexibility. That is one reason I haven't went more into NAM.
 
I uploaded the other two captures now so there's clean, crunch, and high gain JJ Junior up on the cloud. I think it sounds pretty dang good.

I do think if I was shooting more captures I need to figure out how to eliminate some noise. There's something possibly in my power that's coming through.
 
Shask said:
One thing I like about ToneX is that it is done on the computer. Your sounds are not stuck in a box that will become obsolete over time. ToneX can work as a VST plugin, in a pedal, or a headphone unit. No other current system has that flexibility. That is one reason I haven't went more into NAM.
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NAM does have that flexibility and more as it's a open-source project. It will become even better in that regard as more hardware platforms are going to support NAM. Not discounting the ToneX platform, as it moved profiling/capturing amps to a great price point and better than Kemper. Still think the ToneX makes great captures.
 
ACSlater said:
NAM does have that flexibility and more as it's a open-source project. It will become even better in that regard as more hardware platforms are going to support NAM. Not discounting the ToneX platform, as it moved profiling/capturing amps to a great price point and better than Kemper. Still think the ToneX makes great captures.
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I just think NAM is still too nerdy for the masses. When they make cheaper, universal hardware, and an easy step-by-step capture process, then I think it will have more of a chance.
 
Jarick said:
I uploaded the other two captures now so there's clean, crunch, and high gain JJ Junior up on the cloud. I think it sounds pretty dang good.

I do think if I was shooting more captures I need to figure out how to eliminate some noise. There's something possibly in my power that's coming through.
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I use a transformer isolated DI box to send a signal to the amp, and a transformer isolated DI to send the signal back to the computer. If I put any pedals in the chain, I will use an isolated power supply. Those things go a long way to keeping it quiet.
 
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