IK Multimedia TONEX

[Sascha Franck]

but according to a certain Sascha the latency is disastrous

Well, it actually is. You can't get lower than 15ms, unless you don't install the driver under macOS, in that case you can get as low as around 9-10ms, but that's coming along with plenty of other disadvantages.

 

[MonoKultur]

Since i changed to uad interface meanwhile i am not that sure… made a preset back then to use hx as interface ( Main out at the end to -128 dB it as low as possible i think) and capture was nearly identica - worked fine.

Loop send & Return wäre set each to 100% so acting Like a serial Loop (inst-Mode).
On Mac latency was no issue to me , send/return left)
I tested on Mac with vsthost First and remenber out 5 and in 6…
Was sctually as mentioned in pilotbook…

can have a look, but wont be before sunday because of IRL-things…

Ps: Had to edit since t9 in foreign language is sooooo awkward…

 

[Progressive_disclosure]

Ok, so let me ask: What output are you assigning in the Tonex Modeler app to send the capturing tones to the amp? In the app, 8 outs appear, which ones are representing the FX loop sends?
And can you use the return for the amp signal to get back into the Modeler app? If so, which returns are represented by the inputs available in the app?

If that was possible, it'd defenitely be the easiest way.

Inputs and outputs 3 and 4 corresponds to the loops on the regular Stomp so that’s what I’ve assigned. Should have taken a screenshot last time I did it since I always have to double check as well.

If you have an HX Stomp connected via USB you can actually set it up in a roundabout way so you can play the Tonex standalone on your computer in the loop digitally. Downside is you need to plug your guitar into one of the return jacks and lose variable impedance, pad and the input gate. But then you can use HX blocks both pre and post Tonex without a hardware pedal. In Tonex input would then be 3/4 and output 5/6. Of course it’s easiest to just run in a DAW sandwiched by HX Native, but it’s possible!

 

[Sascha Franck]

Inputs and outputs 3 and 4 corresponds to the loops on the regular Stomp so that’s what I’ve assigned. Should have taken a screenshot last time I did it since I always have to double check as well.

Thanks. Apart from the potential USB noise issues (which, quite unfortunately, the Stomp is really subsceptible for - more than anything else I owned so far), this actually makes it an excellent capturing device.

It's weird, I own this device for so long (and a Floor before) and I'd say I know it pretty well, but it never occured to me that the sends/returns would be adressable as separate I/Os in interface mode. For whatever reasons, I always thought the I/Os appearing in the DAW would just represent various internal routing options.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

I've come to the conclusion that the breakdown for me has to be my reamp box (Radial "blue" one), and that it's not getting hot enough of a signal out to the amp. Everything still sounds undergained. Contrast that to ones I do with my FM9 (entirely in the box) and it works splendidly.

I’ve been fighting that and ground loops for over 20 years.

It started with the original re-amp, the the blue Radial.
Went to flipped DI and boss pedal.

And finally just gave up on re-amping.

When Tonex came out I had gotten a IK Axe I/O and that is so undergained it’s not even funny.
I actually ran a clean boost after but that had me fight found loops again.

Got an IK Capture box and that worked ok. And the dual ground lifts helped but still not perfect. I actually was even able to run plugins into power amp into guitar cab with good results.

Especially since with Kemper it was a walk in the park.

I have yet to try with the p split we’ll see.

Now having said this the only piece of gear that had me willing to go and use re-amping again. Is the re-amp in on the Fryette GPDI-IR and running other gear/amps with its external 3 cable loop.

 

[Progressive_disclosure]

Thanks. Apart from the potential USB noise issues (which, quite unfortunately, the Stomp is really subsceptible for - more than anything else I owned so far), this actually makes it an excellent capturing device.

It's weird, I own this device for so long (and a Floor before) and I'd say I know it pretty well, but it never occured to me that the sends/returns would be adressable as separate I/Os in interface mode. For whatever reasons, I always thought the I/Os appearing in the DAW would just represent various internal routing options.

The manual page has a good visualization but yeah, it’s not really clear that you can do all kinds of weird shit with it!

I’ve definitely felt the usb noise issue. As I’ve detailed elsewhere I do captures by unplugging my computer monitor and doing a TeamViewer connection to the computer start captures…

 

[Byrdman]

Okay, I started playing around with my XL and I'm at a standstill. The Main L/R doesnt have a USB option, is that needed?

Am I thinking this wrong? Signal from ToneX Capturing Software>Loop to Amp Input>Line Out From Amp to Loop Return>Output Back to Tonex Capture Software.

In this pic its going to Main L/R and another USB is not an option for Output

Feel free to talk to me like I'm a 3rd grader and tell me what I am doing wrong! Thanks!!

 

[Progressive_disclosure]

Okay, I started playing around with my XL and I'm at a standstill. The Main L/R doesnt have a USB option, is that needed?

Am I thinking this wrong? Signal from ToneX Capturing Software>Loop to Amp Input>Line Out From Amp to Loop Return>Output Back to Tonex Capture Software.

In this pic its going to Main L/R and another USB is not an option for Output

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Feel free to talk to me like I'm a 3rd grader and tell me what I am doing wrong! Thanks!!

Main L/R is Output 1/2 on the digital side. To be able to dial in what is going to be sent to the amp I would recommend using a L Loop block and the send and return jacks. Plus reset the input block to normal. Then on TONEX you use Output 7/8 and Input 3/4 for the routing, and Input 5 for your guitar.

You can think of the digital ins and outs as ”listening in” to whatever is routed on the Stomps jacks if that makes sense. Helped me a bit. AFAIK the XL has the same ins and outs as the regular Stomp, or am I mistaken?

I’m not at home atm but if I have time I’ll screenshot my settings later on my Stomp and in Tonex and post them. I want to be able to reference that stuff later anyways so will do it regardless.

 

[Progressive_disclosure]

No,

Main L/R is Output 1/2 on the digital side. To be able to dial in what is going to be sent to the amp I would recommend using a L Loop block and the send and return jacks. Plus reset the input block to normal. Then on TONEX you use Output 3/4 and Input 3/4 for the routing, and Input 5 for your guitar.

You can think of the digital ins and outs as ”listening in” to whatever is routed on the Stomps jacks if that makes sense. Helped me a bit. AFAIK the XL has the same ins and outs as the regular Stomp, or am I mistaken?

I’m not at home atm but if I have time I’ll screenshot my settings later on my Stomp and in Tonex and post them. I want to be able to reference that stuff later anyways so will do it regardless.

I’m lying! For the Input it should be 7 for the return jack! Sorry about that.

 

[Byrdman]

Main L/R is Output 1/2 on the digital side. To be able to dial in what is going to be sent to the amp I would recommend using a L Loop block and the send and return jacks. Plus reset the input block to normal. Then on TONEX you use Output 7/8 and Input 3/4 for the routing, and Input 5 for your guitar.

You can think of the digital ins and outs as ”listening in” to whatever is routed on the Stomps jacks if that makes sense. Helped me a bit. AFAIK the XL has the same ins and outs as the regular Stomp, or am I mistaken?

I’m not at home atm but if I have time I’ll screenshot my settings later on my Stomp and in Tonex and post them. I want to be able to reference that stuff later anyways so will do it regardless.

TBH, if you dont mind emailing me the preset, that would be awesome. I'll PM you my email address if you want to email it to me.

Thanks!

 

[Sascha Franck]

Ok, my Tonex One is in delivery (should be here basically any moment), got a question for you folks:
I know you can control the pedal via some additional external boxes (such as the Polar from Pirate MIDI) and then connect to these boxes with, say, your smartphone/tablet.
But can you as well connect your phone straight to the Tonex via USB and control it, given you have a suitable controller app such as TouchOSC (which I already have a licence for)? That's what I'd really love being able to do.
Note: I also have a CME WIDI Jack, which would possibly work as a MIDI-to-USB host, but I'd rather not want to use that. I will use a straight USB connection from my phone to the pedal anyway to use it as a mobile interface.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Ok, pedal arrived, first testrun done: I'm amazed! I'm in fact already considering to purchase an Airstep TX as that would render the thing into a fully usable B-rig, freeing up my HX Stomp for other purposes.
This will from now on be my only companion for backstage jamming and such. Being able to power it from a phone/tablet is just damn amazing.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, I can confirm what some people said already, the Tonex One doesn't deal well with all 9V power supplies. The best solutions so far seem to be running it from the phone's USB and from my USB dock. But in case I'll get an Airstep TX (which really seems likely), I'll be powering the thing through that anyway, with the Airstep either powering it through its battery or by connecting it to a power bank.

 

[Sascha Franck]

So, what's up with this? The Tonex Editor told me I needed to register my device and open the IK Product Manager for doing so. Hence that's what I did and now the pedal shows up in there. But the editor is still complaining that my device wouldn't be registered, so I'd have to open the Product Manager.
Fwiw, it also shows up when logging in on the IK website.
@IK Multimedia, any tips?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Ok, had to restore my purchases. Well, yeah, that's making sense with hardware...

 

[bucephalus]

Ok, pedal arrived, first testrun done: I'm amazed! I'm in fact already considering to purchase an Airstep TX as that would render the thing into a fully usable B-rig, freeing up my HX Stomp for other purposes.
This will from now on be my only companion for backstage jamming and such. Being able to power it from a phone/tablet is just damn amazing.

Yeah I run my OG tonex pedal with a power block and 9v step up cable and works really well.

 

[Richard_G]

Fwiw, I can confirm what some people said already, the Tonex One doesn't deal well with all 9V power supplies. The best solutions so far seem to be running it from the phone's USB and from my USB dock.

Fwiw, I power my Tonex One with the USB outlet on my Cioks DC7. I’m happy with that solution.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, I power my Tonex One with the USB outlet on my Cioks DC7. I’m happy with that solution.

On my main board, I have USB A and C outlets as well, so I'll likely be sorted. Will try this evening when the board is back home.

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Fwiw, what I really like so far is the built in auto-saving. I know some people don't like it, and it'd possibly be better if it was optional (such as on some Zoom units), but for me it's just how I like it.
Also, the headphone out is pretty powerful, that's just great for mobile usage.

I still wish there would be endless encoders with some kinda readout - but obviously, that'd likely require some space and add to the price.

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Ok, so, on to the important things: I could do with some sort of workflow ideas from you folks using the thing for longer already.
My plans would be to basically use the Tonex plugin to sort out sounds before beaming them into the hardware. So what's the most elegant way to browse ToneNET, then drag the sounds into the plugin and then find the same sounds in the Tonex Editor to transfer them to the hardware?
I could very obviously find it out myself, but maybe there's some useful tips and shortcuts for the most efficient experience.

 

[EOengineer]

On my main board, I have USB A and C outlets as well, so I'll likely be sorted. Will try this evening when the board is back home.

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Fwiw, what I really like so far is the built in auto-saving. I know some people don't like it, and it'd possibly be better if it was optional (such as on some Zoom units), but for me it's just how I like it.
Also, the headphone out is pretty powerful, that's just great for mobile usage.

I still wish there would be endless encoders with some kinda readout - but obviously, that'd likely require some space and add to the price.

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Ok, so, on to the important things: I could do with some sort of workflow ideas from you folks using the thing for longer already.
My plans would be to basically use the Tonex plugin to sort out sounds before beaming them into the hardware. So what's the most elegant way to browse ToneNET, then drag the sounds into the plugin and then find the same sounds in the Tonex Editor to transfer them to the hardware?
I could very obviously find it out myself, but maybe there's some useful tips and shortcuts for the most efficient experience.

Beware there’s a bit of a translation factor moving patches from the software to the hardware - just watch your levels going into the plugin or you might end up with wildly different gain staging and breakup levels on the hardware. Not super unlike what you might be used to with translating presets from Native to Hx.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Beware there’s a bit of a translation factor moving patches from the software to the hardware - just watch your levels going into the plugin or you might end up with wildly different gain staging and breakup levels on the hardware.

Yeah, first thing I'll be doing later on will be to compare the same patches on the hardware and the plugin and come up with a channel strip setting adressing potential differences (my interface's input trim stays the same all the time). Did that with the Stomp and HX Native already.