IK Multimedia TONEX

[Chocol8]

He's always going on about how amps are physical, and you can easily fix and diagnose problems because they're physical, whereas the digital stuff is impossible to diagnose. That's mostly untrue. Even digital stuff usually has a breadcrumb trail you can follow to figure out what is going wrong and where.

He is wrong about that. Amps are physical and when something more than just a tube breaks there are very few people who really know how to diagnose and fix them easily. Even if you are one of them, there is the issue of getting parts. I have waited months to get a part to get an amp back running.

 

[Deadpan]

So as long as I am fine waiting for someone who has the exact same ears and tastes as me capturing amps; I am good. I am not fine waiting

Be proactive and involve yourself in the capture process. Then you also don't have to rely on the also imperfect IR that every one settles for.

 

[Orvillain]

He is wrong about that. Amps are physical and when something more than just a tube breaks there are very few people who really know how to diagnose and fix them easily. Even if you are one of them, there is the issue of getting parts. I have waited months to get a part to get an amp back running.

I get my amps back within a week. Find an amp tech who is worth their salt, and start learning the tricks of the trade. We're gonna be the ones replacing them when they die off.

Or settle into a future of mediocrity. Your choice.

 

[Chocol8]

I get my amps back within a week. Find an amp tech who is worth their salt, and start learning the tricks of the trade. We're gonna be the ones replacing them when they die off.

Or settle into a future of mediocrity. Your choice.

LOL, nice of you to lecture me, but you are a few decades late. I am the guy fixing the amps which I started doing on the side while in college. Knowing what I need doesn't make the parts available overnight when they are back ordered or when something needs to be made to order. I guess I could settle for mediocrity for my amps or other people's amps and throw in whatever cheap substitute I can get quickly, but that is not how I choose to do things.

 

[Orvillain]

LOL, nice of you to lecture me, but you are a few decades late. I am the guy fixing the amps which I started doing on the side while in college. Knowing what I need doesn't make the parts available overnight when they are back ordered or when something needs to be made to order. I guess I could settle for mediocrity for my amps or other people's amps and throw in whatever cheap substitute I can get quickly, but that is not how I choose to do things.

Cool. Then pass down the knowledge before you die. Or settle into a future of mediocrity.

PS: Still waiting for you to steel-man my argument.

 

[paisleywookiee]

The problem I've always had with capturing technology is if you don't own amps to begin with, you're doomed to hunting for/buying "capture packs" to get what you want. It's a frustrating experience that I've got no interest in. A modeler is a modeler. If it's got the amps you're looking for, you're set. You could sort of argue it's the same for finding IR's, but I'd say that's now over with Helix's and Fractal's new cab structure.

 

[Chocol8]

Cool. Then pass down the knowledge before you die.

Everything I know is already in books and/or available online. The issue isn't available knowledge, it's people willing to take the time to learn. I certainly can't blame them because it is difficult to make much of a living as a full time tech and you are constantly dealing with customers who think whatever it costs is too much. I always did it as a side gig, and I don't take outside work at all anymore unless it is for a friend. The cash isn't worth the hassle these days.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Why does there always gotta be a dick measuring contest whenever y’all start talking about models vs captures vs amps vs fart noises

 

[paisleywookiee]

Why does there always gotta be a dick measuring contest whenever y’all start talking about models vs captures vs amps vs fart noises

I have the best fart noises, that I captured myself.

 

[Orvillain]

Everything I know is already in books and/or available online. The issue isn't available knowledge, it's people willing to take the time to learn. I certainly can't blame them because it is difficult to make much of a living as a full time tech and you are constantly dealing with customers who think whatever it costs is too much. I always did it as a side gig, and I don't take outside work at all anymore unless it is for a friend. The cash isn't worth the hassle these days.

If Mr. Miyagi relied on books and wikipedia, the fictional world of Sweet Valley High would've had one less sex pest in it. Or something.

 

[Chocol8]

Why does there always gotta be a dick measuring contest whenever y’all start talking about models vs captures vs amps vs fart noises

They are all just tools and they all work, but some people feel the need to crap on whichever ones they don't choose to own. It's silly.

 

[bucephalus]

The problem I've always had with capturing technology is if you don't own amps to begin with, you're doomed to hunting for/buying "capture packs" to get what you want. It's a frustrating experience that I've got no interest in. A modeler is a modeler. If it's got the amps you're looking for, you're set. You could sort of argue it's the same for finding IR's, but I'd say that's now over with Helix's and Fractal's new cab structure.

Just get a tonex and the Bartel Roseland and Sound City 100 packs from Amalgam and call it a day. After years of fucking around with everything this is where I play all the time now.

 

[Chocol8]

If Mr. Miyagi relied on books and wikipedia, the fictional world of Sweet Valley High would've had one less sex pest in it. Or something.

You need the books/knowledge and you need experience. Experience can only come from getting your hands dirty. That's how I learned, and how everyone else I know learned.

 

[Mikael Dez]

They are all just tools and they all work, but some people feel the need to crap on whichever ones they don't choose to own. It's silly.

In some alternate reality, modelers came first and there’s a movement to recreate them in physical forms using tube technology. The purists claim that tubes have less tone.

 

[Orvillain]

They are all just tools and they all work, but some people feel the need to crap on whichever ones they don't choose to own. It's silly.

No-one did that. You still don't understand the argument I made, and you're refusing to even engage with it. Much better to fight against a strawman; easier debate to win I suppose.

You need the books/knowledge and you need experience. Experience can only come from getting your hands dirty. That's how I learned, and how everyone else I know learned.

Nah. Everything you need to know you can learn from ingesting crystals and formaldehyde.

 

[bucephalus]

I have the best fart noises, that I captured myself.

I used to capture mine in a jar and tell my kid I'd captured a fairy, unscrew and see...

 

[Chocol8]

In some alternate reality, modelers came first and there’s a movement to recreate them in physical forms using tube technology. The purists claim that tubes have less tone.

So true! "They have this horrible hiss and hum that shows up in null tests, the pot sweep isn't perfectly consistent, the components start with too much tolerance e and then they drift...why would anyone want such piss poor recreations of a vintage modeler?"

 

[Orvillain]

In some alternate reality, modelers came first and there’s a movement to recreate them in physical forms using tube technology. The purists claim that tubes have less tone.

In some alternate reality, we all died during childbirth and the battlefield is fronted exclusively by women with three tits.

 

[Chocol8]

You still don't understand the argument I made,

I have moved on, and it wasn't just about you anyway.

 

[Orvillain]

I have moved on, and it wasn't just about you anyway.

I will never move on. I will hound you until the ends of the earth.