IK Multimedia Tone X One?

[pipelineaudio]

We would be happy to make a better version of this if we were allowed to.

 

[[Nathan]]

We would be happy to make a better version of this if we were allowed to.

If only there was an open source alternative that you were free to develop and tune to your needs (higher quality or lesser quality lightweight models).

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Amps
Man

I cant remember the NAM name of the thing... NAM it.

 

[pipelineaudio]

If only there was an open source alternative that you were free to develop and tune to your needs (higher quality or lesser quality lightweight models).

No
Amps
Man

I cant remember the NAM name of the thing... NAM it.

When they put it on some hardware. I see the big fat tonex sized pedal coming out soon for it

 

[riffy]

IK Multimedia laughs when I say their customer service sucks!
Maybe that is the problem? Their customer service SUCKS, but their software blows big, sweaty, hairy goat nuts!

 

[dronerstone]

IK Multimedia laughs when I say their customer service sucks!
Maybe that is the problem? Their customer service SUCKS, but their software blows big, sweaty, hairy goat nuts!

Even if they knew, I don't think they'd be allowed to admit.

 

[Jkist7]

@IK Multimedia I am a UX Designer professionally. Hire me, let me fix your app lol

 

[[Nathan]]

When they put it on some hardware. I see the big fat tonex sized pedal coming out soon for it

I dunno your exact current usage of tonex but if I wanted a capture solution to use live I'd consider a cheap tonex pedal for a quick off/on solution... if it was anything more involved than that I'd probably just grab some form of kemper or QC for the full bells and whistles (multi instrument routing is super handy as well).

When you start talking about wanting to mess with the tonex software yourself all I can think is... there's probably a better solution out there hah. And if you're legitimately talking about crafting a super usable end to end solution I think a strong minded person/team would bring out a tonex rival using NAM as the foundation. Heck Tonocracy kind of did it but that has its own quirks and its been an oddly long time since it launched and we still don't see a tonocracy pedal.

If I've learned anything in my years... wishing and hoping IK would just do better with some of their products is going to be a disappointing endeavour. You kind of take or leave their stuff as is. Some of their products and solutions are great, and some seems like the textbook definition of how to fumble the brief.

 

[laxu]

I've thought about the Tonex One a few times as I could see having uses for it...but I also loathe the Tonex app so much that I can't be bothered even at the Tonex One's low cost.

The advice I have for IK is:

• Take some courses or read some books on UI/UX design. A lot of apps work in a similar manner because those conventions are learned and allow people to easier jump from app A to using app B.
• Figure out what the user typically wants to do in any view. To me the Home view does way too much at once which makes it seem like a cluttered mess of content management and preset editing.
• Figure out how to better represent different concepts to user. To me Tone models vs presets and Collections vs folders are not particularly clear at first glance, and part of it is because they are all kinda mixed together. The marketplace stuff vs user's content should be more separated.
• Figure out how to improve content discoverability. Now most of the metadata available is not that useful, users are not filling it in and often the name of the capture is the only truly useful piece of information. Similarly the "top" lists seem like a typical upvote popularity context.
• Aim higher. That "new" IR management UI is so barebones that I have a hard time believing it was anything but cobbled together by a dev as a last minute thing without any proper spec.

A lot of the updates to the app seem like trying to shoehorn in new features without fixing the fundamentals first.

 

[pipelineaudio]

I dunno your exact current usage of tonex but if I wanted a capture solution to use live I'd consider a cheap tonex pedal for a quick off/on solution... if it was anything more involved than that I'd probably just grab some form of kemper or QC for the full bells and whistles (multi instrument routing is super handy as well).

I don't know why I'd want a kemper. And on the scale of IK software sucking, its a DREAM compared to QC! Holy crap. I'll take Tonex any day over that.

When you start talking about wanting to mess with the tonex software yourself all I can think is... there's probably a better solution out there hah. And if you're legitimately talking about crafting a super usable end to end solution I think a strong minded person/team would bring out a tonex rival using NAM as the foundation. Heck Tonocracy kind of did it but that has its own quirks and its been an oddly long time since it launched and we still don't see a tonocracy pedal.

If tonex is anything like helix and the presets are human readable and unencrypted, then, just like Helix, you could make a pretty handy text editor/librarian to handle the really tedious crap in the Tonex software, same way you can text replace the amp in a bulk of Helix presets.

If they want something good, we could do that as well. Maybe we could even tam up with Jkist7 up there

 

[mbenigni]

I poked at them with the sqlite3 command-line too...

Did you do this from the comfort of your armchair, or did you roll out a spiffy office chair for the occasion?

I kid, I kid. Glad the IK rep spoke up and things worked out!

 

[mbenigni]

And on the scale of IK software sucking, its a DREAM compared to QC! Holy crap. I'll take Tonex any day over that.

 

[Mongillo19]

Yeah that statement makes 0 sense

 

[JiveTurkey]

Even I have to admit that's probably going to be a stretch

 

[mbenigni]

Even I have to admit that's probably going to be a stretch

Wow. Where can @pipelineaudio collect his prize?

 

[Jynx]

Funny reading the above when I just came off the NDSP Discord where someone just said they were sending back a Tone X they got a couple of days ago because it was the most unintuitive piece of equipment they ever used. And stated that even the Ampero has a better UX.

I don't know what any of that means as I haven't used either but I suspect hyperbole somewhere.

 

[mbenigni]

Funny reading the above when I just came off the NDSP Discord where someone just said they were sending back a Tone X they got a couple of days ago because it was the most unintuitive piece of equipment they ever used. And stated that even the Ampero has a better UX.

I don't know what any of that means as I haven't used either but I suspect hyperbole.

Claims of "most x ever" are almost always hyperbole (go change a clock on a VCR) but ToneX is crazy counter-intuitive and just sort of clumsy.

Meanwhile, even (most?) people who hate a hundred other things about the QC will admit that its UI/UX are best in class. And the software - though embarrassingly late in arriving - mirrors the on-device UI exactly.

 

[Mongillo19]

I don't know what any of that means as I haven't used either but I suspect hyperbole somewhere.

Idk it might not be lol

 

[Jynx]

Idk it might not be lol

Not from the person on the Discord anyway.

 

[laxu]

Claims of "most x ever" are almost always hyperbole (go change a clock on a VCR) but ToneX is crazy counter-intuitive and just sort of clumsy.

Meanwhile, even (most?) people who hate a hundred other things about the QC will admit that its UI/UX are best in class. And the software - though embarrassingly late in arriving - mirrors the on-device UI exactly.

Yeah I can understand raking NDSP over the coals for e.g content management as it's just "bearable" at best, but Tonex is much worse IMO.

 

[mbenigni]

Yeah I can understand raking NDSP over the coals for e.g content management as it's just "bearable" at best, but Tonex is much worse IMO.

Are we talking organization/ discoverability of content on neuraldsp.com/cloud, or on the device itself?