Helix Talk

[spawnofthesith]

I wish this was true, and for a few sounds it is. That whole "boost shit in weird places" is what sometimes makes the difference, and sometimes just makes stuff sound odd. Way more fun dialling in Fortin Nameless/Cali/IIC+ which have all the switches, channels and modes from the real thing. Sims like Nolly or Henson that are well covered by Helix just sound a smidge better and tones come together easier than if I try to do them in Helix (which gets close but there's more bollocks involved).

Helix has a ton in its favour - way more diverse range of gear, more FX, the best bass options. If I'm honest, I don't think I've ever found it to sound better than a typical NDSP plugin. Usually it's close enough not to matter, or slightly worse and with the caveat of being more work to dial in.

I have 0 interest in plugins myself (just not my workflow/creative proess/how I'm going to sit down and play guitar) but my bass player has a few NDSP plugins and they are damn impressive sounding. They sound better than anything I've gotten out of the stomp, and honestly, I think they sound better than any of the stuff on his actual QC either lol

 

[0XI0]

afaik ndsp plugins are all stitched together black box, not component modeled. and really long and layered mic/room IRs

 

[Exluthier]

I have 0 interest in plugins myself (just not my workflow/creative proess/how I'm going to sit down and play guitar) but my bass player has a few NDSP plugins and they are damn impressive sounding. They sound better than anything I've gotten out of the stomp, and honestly, I think they sound better than any of the stuff on his actual QC either lol

I got interested in the Gojira plugin after seeing Orbit Culture live and finding out their whole rig was that plugin on a laptop and they sounded incredible. I think Ola Englund is doing something similar with the Plini plugin for his little tour he's on.

 

[EOengineer]

Just posted about it over in the rack thread but man…I might end up eating my foot. I picked up a Mesa Simul 2:90 for another rig and happened to plug Helix into it just to verify the amp survived shipping.

The Mesa Mark IV Lead preamp model absolutely SLAYS through this poweramp. To the point where I need to compare it to my Mark III head because man…no deep or modern engaged and it’s stunningly brutal.

 

[EOengineer]

Whatever I’m not liking in the full Helix model of the Mark IV must be something in the power amp modeling. I think most people would be hard pressed to pick this out as anything other than an all tube rig .

I’d also like to run cables from Helix to trigger deep and modern on the 2:90. The Rectifier preamp model will give me sort of a faux vintage gain channel, and then maybe a cool red channel with the 2:90 modern and deep engaged.

That would almost get me into a weird hybrid triaxis rig with the 3 Mark IV channels plus the rectifier trickery. Could Helix and the 2:90 be a power couple??

 

[GTR37]

We shouldn't be boiling milk like this in 2025.

If that does not work there is always plan B the Sadites end of the chain compressor .

 

[holoholo]

I punch the sky every time I hear a mention of Saddites and his shitty tone glue recommendations.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I punch the sky every time I hear a mention of Saddites and his shitty tone glue recommendations.

So goddamned stupid. I'm done with fucking being an audio engineer to play guitar. I'm enough of a goddamn dork as it is let alone walking around like a decrepit weasel mumbling about sidechain compression and parallel gating

 

[holoholo]

So goddamned stupid. I'm done with fucking being an audio engineer to play guitar. I'm enough of a goddamn dork as it is let alone walking around like a decrepit weasel mumbling about sidechain compression and parallel gating

Just Mesa and carry on

 

[JiveTurkey]

Just Mesa and carry on

Nothing against Helix. Anything overcomplicated at this point. I Am Zen™

 

[ian_dissonance]

I’m already a wannabe audio engineer so it’s cool.

 

[pipelineaudio]

So goddamned stupid. I'm done with fucking being an audio engineer to play guitar. I'm enough of a goddamn dork as it is let alone walking around like a decrepit weasel mumbling about sidechain compression and parallel gating

Hey now, at least a sidechain for the gate would make the helix exponentially more usable.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I’m already a wannabe audio engineer so it’s cool.

It IS cool. Having the capability is what is awesome about modeling. But it also exhausting at times for me.

Hey now, at least a sidechain for the gate would make the helix exponentially more usable.

I knew you'd chime in! I'm surprised I was sort of semi-smart sounding or not

 

[holoholo]

Nothing against Helix. Anything overcomplicated at this point. I Am Zen™

He said as his signal chain looks like NASA.

Kidding btw. Whatever works for you brotha.

 

[JiveTurkey]

He said as his signal chain looks like NASA.

Kidding btw. Whatever works for you brotha.

Wait Till I Get The Palmer Speaker Simulator™

 

[the-trooper]

I punch the sky every time I hear a mention of Saddites and his shitty tone glue recommendations.

You just have to watch a 24 minutes video explaining why it works.

 

[laxu]

So goddamned stupid. I'm done with fucking being an audio engineer to play guitar. I'm enough of a goddamn dork as it is let alone walking around like a decrepit weasel mumbling about sidechain compression and parallel gating

I think it's cool that you can do that with the Helix...it can make sense to simulate the recording chain even further. But the mistake people make is they think these are somehow needed to make the Helix sound great.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

So goddamned stupid. I'm done with fucking being an audio engineer to play guitar. I'm enough of a goddamn dork as it is let alone walking around like a decrepit weasel mumbling about sidechain compression and parallel gating

I spoke with some professional musicians and the ones I spoke had sound engineers to really dial in the modeler they use.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I think it's cool that you can do that with the Helix...it can make sense to simulate the recording chain even further. But the mistake people make is they think these are somehow needed to make the Helix sound great.

Absolutely It's a case of just because you can doesn't mean you should.

 

[the swede]

Wait Till I Get The Palmer Speaker Simulator™

i actually used this a few times, live!!! Couldnt really gel with it and then someone at some forum told me "get a Helix".