James Freeman
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Enough is enough, I've had it with these mf'ing "FRFR" "amps" on this mf'ing plane.
REAL guitar cabs + guitar speakers = REAL Tone.
REAL guitar cabs + guitar speakers = REAL Tone.
Guitar Cabs And Speakers Are Important
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Yes but that requires real volume. I sympathise with the fact that the vast majority of FR FR are totally different sounding and feel wrong from a players perspective . The quest to fix this goes back to early Bradshaw rigs with multiple amps in to palmer load boxes through fx mixers and the in to HHV800 "FRFR" power but then it to guitar cabs. Awesome but a truck load of gear to sound like and Axefx in to a guitar cab that then sounds wrong with half the amps. I have tried everything over the years and find the F12x200 speaker in to the right cab and great ir to be the best solution . Alternatively if your sound is a cranked Marshall then that is perfect sounding and feeling but unusable in every practical way particularly if venues use DB meters or even if you are at home.
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No, it doesn’t. Cabs sound great fairly quiet too
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I agree but good gear in general is easy to get a great sound with. In fact if anything takes a lot of tweaking to get your sound send it back.
My X88ir is almost impossible to get a bad sound out of.
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Real amps don't though and most cabs don't either . If you have a plexi and a celestion forget it.
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There are times I don’t mind playing through "FRFR", sometimes I even enjoy it. Playing through a tube power amp connected to a traditional guitar loudspeaker can also be awesome, or it can suck.
if I had to choose it’s gonna be my tube stuff through guitar cabs every time.
if I had to choose it’s gonna be my tube stuff through guitar cabs every time.
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this thread is about real cabs and guitar speakers. I do have a 100W 1959 and Celestions and it sounds killer through a Fryette powerstation.
Doesn’t even require a PS either, amps with global master volumes can sound excellent at low volumes.
I’d also add most cabs sound like ass when they’re struggling to perform properly. They generally sound very similar at low volumes as they do until they hit the point where they’re breaking up
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In a perfect world I agree .
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Preachin the gospel!
Cabs w speakers moving air is what its all about. Thats what the guys and girls had who we all idolized used and had on the posters on our walls.
It may be a simple life but i basically live for that thud that hits your chest and then seeing ppl getting violent. I don't want that polished professional "FRFR" sound that might work great for churches or sports bars bc even if it's loud something is missing.
I feel lucky to only be asked to turn up and to be playing shows where loud is good. Loading a cab is not that bad for the fun it delivers.
Cabs w speakers moving air is what its all about. Thats what the guys and girls had who we all idolized used and had on the posters on our walls.
It may be a simple life but i basically live for that thud that hits your chest and then seeing ppl getting violent. I don't want that polished professional "FRFR" sound that might work great for churches or sports bars bc even if it's loud something is missing.
I feel lucky to only be asked to turn up and to be playing shows where loud is good. Loading a cab is not that bad for the fun it delivers.
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This absolutely nails what I have been feeling lately.
We play what we love for fun. Period.
I didn't start playing guitar to become a studio engineer. I like knowing the knowledge, but I don't want to dedicate any more time to it......it's too much and kills my love.
I am now just concentrating on the sound from the cab speaker. Period. If it sounds good there....job done. Period.
Every other concern is a waste of time and creativity. Leave that to those that can't write or play. Period.
I don't want to be Rick Rubin anymore.....I wanna be Larry Lalonde.....Frank Zappa......James Hetfield.....Billy Corgan.....Kim Thayil. Period.
My new mission.
Take it back to when it was fun.
Outboard recording solution. Everything. No DAW, just mixer....out to L/R channels.....one take...no punches. No irs ....no load boxes.....real drums ....no auto tune. Period.
This is my life now. Real. Period.
Edit -- DYNAMICS!!! NO MORE LOUDNESS WAR!!!?
We play what we love for fun. Period.
I didn't start playing guitar to become a studio engineer. I like knowing the knowledge, but I don't want to dedicate any more time to it......it's too much and kills my love.
I am now just concentrating on the sound from the cab speaker. Period. If it sounds good there....job done. Period.
Every other concern is a waste of time and creativity. Leave that to those that can't write or play. Period.
I don't want to be Rick Rubin anymore.....I wanna be Larry Lalonde.....Frank Zappa......James Hetfield.....Billy Corgan.....Kim Thayil. Period.
My new mission.
Take it back to when it was fun.
Outboard recording solution. Everything. No DAW, just mixer....out to L/R channels.....one take...no punches. No irs ....no load boxes.....real drums ....no auto tune. Period.
This is my life now. Real. Period.
Edit -- DYNAMICS!!! NO MORE LOUDNESS WAR!!!?
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whatever speaker i play guitar through is a guitar speaker. we keep running into limited bandwidth on the yellow brick toan road tho so........
if there was more willingness to fuck up the virtual.... the honest driver would catch less bullets for the message I guess
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Considering EVH was using some of the first tech that ended up with "FRFR". It's not that simple or clear cut. How about attenuators and ir or miked up smaller cabs in isolation boxes.
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James and Billy and Dwezel all play Axefx "FRFR".
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Cool.....I will play an axe product too..just through My amp and cab.
Me.
I don't care what others are doing NOW!!! That's the point....for ME.
I don't think Billy does bud..... pretty sure on that. He is actually a Laney endorser, as well as Carsten....amongst others....but whatever...... That isn't the point I was making.
I love iso cabs though, for home recording...but that only supports my stance .
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like i said churches and sports bars and quiet stages are not my world. some of the shows we play they dont even mic the cab and just ask you to be stupid loud.
i am not saying there isnt place for the tech you are talking about. i am just saying its place is not in the places ive been playing.
Couldn't agree more! Guitar speakers are just so natural sounding compared to any "FRFR".
For me it's modeler + guitar cab unless I'm recording
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When we played ArcTangent festival back in 2015, it literally was just a case of turn up... throw amp on top of a full stack of cabs.... plug into one of them.... mic'd up... I could be as loud as I wanted on stage. No fucking around with ISO boxes, no fucking around with "FRFR" setups, no fucking around quickly changing the high and low cuts on my IR's or anything like that.
Plug in. Rock the fuck out in front of 1300 people, come off stage and get a beer.
It was sick. Same when we played Damnation Festival as well, and pretty much has been the same experience in all the UK pubs and clubs I've played.
I will say that if I'm ever in that situation again, I won't plug into the top cab. Just the bottom one. I prefer it for trouser flappage.
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