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Fractal Talk
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JiveTurkey
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"LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET'S GET READY TO NITPICK ON THE INTERNETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!"I'm ready for FIGHT NIGHT
and I kinda mean it
synthpenguin
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Yeah, I always find it really hard to relate when people don't want to learn what, e.g. an LFO is, but I mean look at my name lol. He seems really open to it and positive overall though, which is cool!
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To his credit; he does go back and forth from Rocket Science to Rocket Surgery in the video
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So I just spent like an hour or so with the IR Player in the AXE-FX 3. Checked many convolution reverbs and it even plays normal .wav samples too of any sound haha. But of course only like 1 1/2 seconds long which gives it enough for some quick ambience... However it could be nice for some lo-fi / experimental stuff. A lot of it sounded like you were playing in a coffee can or cheap resistor radio lol. I added a plex delay after it with like 10 seconds of decay time and that makes it a little more fun. Each IR player can load 2 IR's and there's two IR player blocks so you could mix 4 different sounds and also do parallel and series. If it could just do like 10 seconds of decay, that would make it so much better!
Anyway, got that out of my system for now. But yeah load of some reverb IR's or any sound sample in .wav and get some lo-fi / experimental ambience to your mix if needed.
Anyway, got that out of my system for now. But yeah load of some reverb IR's or any sound sample in .wav and get some lo-fi / experimental ambience to your mix if needed.
AlbertA
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Load up a fart - that’s one of those we tried early on when the AxeFx I introduced loadable IRs
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Much more satisfying to unload a fart.
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Obligatory “fart in the room” joke.
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Yep. While I understand not wanting to deep dive enough to understand every aspect of gear design and programming, I'll never understand the tight scrutiny and "I'm really picky about my tone, but I feel I should just be able to turn some knobs and get it without having a better understanding of what I'm actually doing"
And that's just in general, when in the context of the AxeFX I think of it more as "I realize I bought the unit that allows for more control than anything else on the market and I can design my own amp inside it if I wanted to, along with any effect I wanted to, but I have zero desire to actually learn how to do it so just make it super easy for me to dial in MY perfect tone" as if that's actually logical.
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When you do a shallow dive on Fractal gear, you'll likely hit your head on the bottom.
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I think a lot of people think that's what they want, only to realize that they are no amp designer, and they don't know what to do with this many options, or a more studio style workflow.
I've dabbled with Fractal's advanced controls but ultimately just abandoned them because it's just too much work to get something better than what the original amp did, or what Fractal have determined as good defaults for their effects. But at least I did take the time to learn to do it!
It easily gets you into option paralysis zone where you think even better tone is lurking right around the corner if you just find the right widgets to tweak. With real gear, you have to accept a lot more limitations so you work within those limits and just call it a day.
I look at it from another perspective.
The advanced parameters are there for a reason, they correspond with virtualized actual stuff going on in (tube) amplifiers.
They are part of the entire model.
They could be hidden (and some are), but if they exist, why not expose them.
As I recently wrote on the FAS forum, that's the scientific approach that draws me towards Fractal.
May not matter to most, but it matters to me.
Partly the reason that I started documenting stuff in the wiki.
But you don't need them to dial in a good tone.
Just watch Andy Wood's yesterday video, where he dials in convincing Steve Morse, EJ and AC/DC tones on the AM4, using basic controls and some EQ.
The advanced parameters are there for a reason, they correspond with virtualized actual stuff going on in (tube) amplifiers.
They are part of the entire model.
They could be hidden (and some are), but if they exist, why not expose them.
As I recently wrote on the FAS forum, that's the scientific approach that draws me towards Fractal.
May not matter to most, but it matters to me.
Partly the reason that I started documenting stuff in the wiki.
But you don't need them to dial in a good tone.
Just watch Andy Wood's yesterday video, where he dials in convincing Steve Morse, EJ and AC/DC tones on the AM4, using basic controls and some EQ.
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Yep the day before he did a Brent Mason country twang on the Deluxe , crazy good
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I’m amused that people still persist with the idea that deep tweaking is even required. I can’t tell you how many time I’ve loaded an amp or effect and done nothing more than adjust the gain or mix controls and moved on. I think the FAS stuff requires the least amount of tweaking out of the box to get a badass tone. I think some people just have the personality type where they can’t ignore a control if they see it.
It’s cool to have the advance controls for rainy days, but you can totally ignore them and still get great tones easily.
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I’m amused that people still persist with the idea that deep tweaking is even required. I can’t tell you how many time I’ve loaded an amp or effect and done nothing more than adjust the gain or mix controls and moved on. I think the FAS stuff requires the least amount of tweaking out of the box to get a badass tone. I think some people just have the personality type where they can’t ignore a control if they see it.
It’s cool to have the advance controls for rainy days, but you can totally ignore them and still get great tones easily.
Agree. All the videos I've done with fractal products since becoming a fractal "fan boy"
lol has been done with very little tweaking. Some basic controls here and there but hardly much deeper on any unit and that's me using stock dyna-cabs too and stuff without changing mic positions etc.synthpenguin
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yeah, I don't understand the resistance to the advanced controls at all.
they're on separate, clearly labeled pages you can totally ignore.
the fractal amps sound great without touching them. it's not like "oh wow this sounds awful so I guess I have to understand what power tube bias excursion is".
and if you DO want to go to those pages—maybe for fun, or maybe because you have settings you love, but you want that extra 1%—you actually don't have to know what they do. it's a digital model: you won't break anything. you can just mess with them all and have fun, and if it sounds bad, turn it back or reset the whole channel.
if you're not interested in knowing what x or y does, that's fine (most "pro guitarists" don't either; even a lot of them who did experiment with these things were blindly messing with real gear and breaking it all the time lol), but you don't even have to know to turn the knobs and flip the switches.
like unless you're a pro sound designer (in which case you wouldn't be having these misgivings), it's supposed to be fun to do this stuff. or at least inspiring and creative! a lot of people seem to (inadvertently) set themselves up for frustration and option paralysis by digging into aspects they don't have to and they don't enjoy (see also: people who get overwhelmed by large IR collections, but then create and load large IR collections anyway).
not to be too harsh (I don't mean it that way), but... after going away from guitar for a while, fully going into synths, and then coming back to guitar, it's pretty apparent how many (online) guitarists are really obsessed with finding ways to enjoy their gear and setups less or make them less fun to use. I don't get it at all.
they're on separate, clearly labeled pages you can totally ignore.
the fractal amps sound great without touching them. it's not like "oh wow this sounds awful so I guess I have to understand what power tube bias excursion is".
and if you DO want to go to those pages—maybe for fun, or maybe because you have settings you love, but you want that extra 1%—you actually don't have to know what they do. it's a digital model: you won't break anything. you can just mess with them all and have fun, and if it sounds bad, turn it back or reset the whole channel.
if you're not interested in knowing what x or y does, that's fine (most "pro guitarists" don't either; even a lot of them who did experiment with these things were blindly messing with real gear and breaking it all the time lol), but you don't even have to know to turn the knobs and flip the switches.
like unless you're a pro sound designer (in which case you wouldn't be having these misgivings), it's supposed to be fun to do this stuff. or at least inspiring and creative! a lot of people seem to (inadvertently) set themselves up for frustration and option paralysis by digging into aspects they don't have to and they don't enjoy (see also: people who get overwhelmed by large IR collections, but then create and load large IR collections anyway).
not to be too harsh (I don't mean it that way), but... after going away from guitar for a while, fully going into synths, and then coming back to guitar, it's pretty apparent how many (online) guitarists are really obsessed with finding ways to enjoy their gear and setups less or make them less fun to use. I don't get it at all.
