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Have you tried the the Spawn QR yet?
I dig the Atomica stuff, always want to love Splawn but it’s way too dark for me. I keep thinking it’s me that’s missing something, but the STL model had the same issues and I can’t really name any decent sounding albums that used a QR either. For all the grief Friedman gets for sounding too dark/bloated, Splawn is in another league of that.
 
The Molecular (what Leon asked Nik from Ceriatone to build for him based on the Atomica) has a "Feel" switch which I always like turned on - it makes the amp less hairy / bloated and more lean and aggressive. In the FM3, I usually used the Grinder boost or tweaked the Bright switch to get get in the ballpark.
I'm not having any problems to make it sound aggressive although I don't like the effect of the bright switch. It adds a little bit saturation in the treble region, but to me it sounds a little bit... strange. Hard to describe. I prefer to leave it off. But even with the bright switch off the Atomica can sound very aggressive with the drive almost maxed out, depth at 0 and treble at 6 or higher. With an SD-1 drive block in front it slays.
 
I'm not having any problems to make it sound aggressive although I don't like the effect of the bright switch. It adds a little bit saturation in the treble region, but to me it sounds a little bit... strange. Hard to describe. I prefer to leave it off. But even with the bright switch off the Atomica can sound very aggressive with the drive almost maxed out, depth at 0 and treble at 6 or higher. With an SD-1 drive block in front it slays.
You might want to try adjusting the bright capacitor value with the bright switch on.
 
I'm not having any problems to make it sound aggressive although I don't like the effect of the bright switch. It adds a little bit saturation in the treble region, but to me it sounds a little bit... strange. Hard to describe. I prefer to leave it off. But even with the bright switch off the Atomica can sound very aggressive with the drive almost maxed out, depth at 0 and treble at 6 or higher. With an SD-1 drive block in front it slays.
For sure - many ways to skin that cat in Fractal land.
 
Being alive during the entire Modded Marshall era I kind of feel like they
were all trying to be darker with more low-end/bass than Marshall(s). Just
variations on a theme of being more or less "dark." While also pushing for
more preamp/cascading gain stages.

Bogners. Friedmans. Splawns. Cornfords. Camerons. Even that run of
Boogies that went from the Stiletto, to the Electra Dyne, to the Royal
Atlantic, to the Badlander.... are all British-inspired tweaks on that theme.
To my ears.

I still think Marshalls were already the Goldilocks "perfect medium." Sometimes
it takes moving away from that to realize how great it was in the first place. :idk

Great having options, too. :beer
 
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Xvive A58 Guitar Wireless System (with Kiesel Zeus and Fractal Audio FM9)​


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Dang, I love this amp model!


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I dig the Atomica stuff, always want to love Splawn but it’s way too dark for me. I keep thinking it’s me that’s missing something, but the STL model had the same issues and I can’t really name any decent sounding albums that used a QR either. For all the grief Friedman gets for sounding too dark/bloated, Splawn is in another league of that.

This.

The Nitro is even darker again. IIRC we used an amp tweaker tight drive with one for some layering with a Recto and it worked well in the mix, but on it's own it can be easy too much.
 
I dig the Atomica stuff, always want to love Splawn but it’s way too dark for me. I keep thinking it’s me that’s missing something, but the STL model had the same issues and I can’t really name any decent sounding albums that used a QR either. For all the grief Friedman gets for sounding too dark/bloated, Splawn is in another league of that.
I find this to be true about Splawns, too, but I just crank the treble to 7-8 (or even 9 on the Nitro) to get the tone I want. I can’t say they compare to the Friedmans when it comes to trying to be “dark”. To me, the BE is dark because of a bloated low end; the Quickrod has a dark treble region but has a relatively tight bass response.
 
Being alive during the entire Modded Marshall era I kind of feel like they
were all trying to be darker with more low-end/bass than Marshall(s). Just
variations on a theme of being more or less "dark." While also pushing for
more preamp/cascading gain stages.

Bogners. Friedmans. Splawns. Cornfords. Camerons. Even that run of
Boogies that went from the Stiletto, to the Electra Dyne, to the Royal
Atlantic, to the Badlander.... are all British-inspired tweaks on that theme.
To my ears.

I still think Marshalls were already the Goldilocks "perfect medium." Sometimes
it takes moving away from that to realize how great it was in the first place. :idk

Great having options, too. :beer

Hahahah I'm glad I read the whole post, I had "Sometimes ya gotta go too far in the wrong direction before realizing you need to turn around" in my head and ready to reply with.
 
Being alive during the entire Modded Marshall era I kind of feel like they
were all trying to be darker with more low-end/bass than Marshall(s). Just
variations on a theme of being more or less "dark." While also pushing for
more preamp/cascading gain stages.

Bogners. Friedmans. Splawns. Cornfords. Camerons. Even that run of
Boogies that went from the Stiletto, to the Electra Dyne, to the Royal
Atlantic, to the Badlander.... are all British-inspired tweaks on that theme.
To my ears.

I still think Marshalls were already the Goldilocks "perfect medium." Sometimes
it takes moving away from that to realize how great it was in the first place. :idk

Great having options, too. :beer
Yknow, I've never understood the urge to make guitar amps dark.
 
Being alive during the entire Modded Marshall era I kind of feel like they
were all trying to be darker with more low-end/bass than Marshall(s). Just
variations on a theme of being more or less "dark." While also pushing for
more preamp/cascading gain stages.

Bogners. Friedmans. Splawns. Cornfords. Camerons. Even that run of
Boogies that went from the Stiletto, to the Electra Dyne, to the Royal
Atlantic, to the Badlander.... are all British-inspired tweaks on that theme.
To my ears.

I still think Marshalls were already the Goldilocks "perfect medium." Sometimes
it takes moving away from that to realize how great it was in the first place. :idk

Great having options, too. :beer


I wouldn’t say Cameron’s are dark. Some Bogner’s can be, depending on how you dial them in. I wouldn’t say Friedman’s are dark. Jose mods absolutely not dark. Soldano are quite smooth, or at least you can’t open them up in the same way as you can a Bogner. Lee Jackson? Not sure, they sound shite to me anyway. A lot of Diezels can be dark. Mesa is all a bit of a wash.

I think of most of the darker voiced amps as being an 80’s or 90’s thing, probably when T75’s and Greenbacks were more prevalent. Maybe also because most musicians weren’t recording at home as prevalently now, and rolled off top end can be more pleasing in the room (and sound worse in a mix).

I believe it was done to 'fix' china era celestions + sm57 and two decades of guitarists crying FIZZ in unison, both of these eras are over.
Give me extra fizzy 5150 and jcm800, I'm a pig in mud.


Amps like Splawn/Diezel/JSX/Krank/VH4/Framus are ones I associated with “Chinese era” Celestion. I don’t think there is any connection to the sound of Chinese speakers and the voicing of the amps.

Maybe the only circuit I find too bright is the Slash/SIR circuits. But I don’t think that’s purely down to the brightness, they’re just a bit odd.
 
Yknow, I've never understood the urge to make guitar amps dark.
I've never understood why e.g Mesa insists on so god damn much bass on tap either.

I can understand the desire to go darker for Marshall based amps. Those big bright caps can be really harsh. But they are also essential for the tones those amps are known for and cutting the bright caps out or reducing their value makes them something different.

I came very close to sending my BluGuitar Amp 1 Mercury Edition back because I felt it was harsh in a way that I couldn't correct with EQ. When I figured out that I needed to leave gain higher and use my guitar controls more, that unlocked a lot for me as I honestly used my guitar tone controls very little before that. Now I do that with all the amps I use so I can tweak the gain/brightness from my guitar.

Bogner however goes too far with it. The treble controls are almost useless below noon, just gets too dark.
 
Yknow, I've never understood the urge to make guitar amps dark.

Can I get wonky for second? No. Ok? Too bad. :LOL:

I really think it is all about contrast and differentiation. Pendulum swings one way
and then it swings back the other.

I've been doing some cool reading on evolutionary anthropology and the seeds of culture,
and how our ways of identification as "people" formed. The really odd/cool thing is it seems
that even long ago we wanted to be different, and not like the Yahoos and Neanderthals across
the Valley.

There's even a fancy word for it called "Schismogenesis." :unsure:
 
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