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All set to the 2290 model!
Warning: going through big time zone change and possibly overthinking.
A while back, I wanted to move away from USB recording with the FM3. The idea is to have the FM3 permanently connected to be able to use as an insert, while keeping Input1 free to connect my guitar.
I hooked up my FM3 to my audio interface just now, in the following manner:
Guitar --> Input1
Audio Interface Line Out to Reamp Box --> FM3 Input2L
FM3 Output1L --> Audio Interface Line In 1
FM3 Output2L --> Audio Interface Line In 2
This way, I could monitor the effected mono signal of Output1 in my DAW, and get a clean DI signal using a split to Output2 (set to line level). I can later reamp into Input2 and have the Option of going either Output1 or Output2 depending how the patch is set up.
I needed to to do all sorts of level gymnastics, but I think having the FM3 connected this way this the way to go for me for recording. With FM3 USB recording, the sample offset issue along with having to change audio interfaces on PC has been too cumbersome so far.
I need to boost my signal by ~2.5dB for true unity gain going from Input1 to Output2L. From the Input calibration thread, the typical observed input of Input1 is about 17.5-17.75dBu. The FM3 manual says that the Output2 jacks are rated 20dBu. I think this is the level difference I'm experiencing. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong along the way.
There also seems to be about a 5dB difference between Input1 and Input2, which is also documented in the Input Calibration thread.
Just slight level differences of a few dB, but enough of a difference in amp response to make me investigate instead of trying to sleep. I think I can now record a DI at Helix levels, and switch between Helix Native and the FM3 as a hardware insert somewhat quickly through a template.
Anyone else run their FM3 this way? Or figure out a workflow for reamping without USB?
A while back, I wanted to move away from USB recording with the FM3. The idea is to have the FM3 permanently connected to be able to use as an insert, while keeping Input1 free to connect my guitar.
I hooked up my FM3 to my audio interface just now, in the following manner:
Guitar --> Input1
Audio Interface Line Out to Reamp Box --> FM3 Input2L
FM3 Output1L --> Audio Interface Line In 1
FM3 Output2L --> Audio Interface Line In 2
This way, I could monitor the effected mono signal of Output1 in my DAW, and get a clean DI signal using a split to Output2 (set to line level). I can later reamp into Input2 and have the Option of going either Output1 or Output2 depending how the patch is set up.
I needed to to do all sorts of level gymnastics, but I think having the FM3 connected this way this the way to go for me for recording. With FM3 USB recording, the sample offset issue along with having to change audio interfaces on PC has been too cumbersome so far.
I need to boost my signal by ~2.5dB for true unity gain going from Input1 to Output2L. From the Input calibration thread, the typical observed input of Input1 is about 17.5-17.75dBu. The FM3 manual says that the Output2 jacks are rated 20dBu. I think this is the level difference I'm experiencing. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong along the way.
There also seems to be about a 5dB difference between Input1 and Input2, which is also documented in the Input Calibration thread.
Just slight level differences of a few dB, but enough of a difference in amp response to make me investigate instead of trying to sleep. I think I can now record a DI at Helix levels, and switch between Helix Native and the FM3 as a hardware insert somewhat quickly through a template.
Anyone else run their FM3 this way? Or figure out a workflow for reamping without USB?
paisleywookiee
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Well JP’s rig is certainly not something he’d buy!
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His avatar tag should be changed from "aint bought shit" to "mr. nothingburger"........has a certain ring to it.......
paisleywookiee
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I wear mine daily. Best hat ever. So comfy
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Another CC Tone Tour is up.
While everyone is sad because they really need 5 effects to play in their bedroom, FAS dropped a stealth FM3 update with improved pitch shifting and other stuff!
VERSION 9.01
October 11, 2024
IMPORTANT: If updating from a firmware version prior to 9.0 you will need to upgrade to the current Dyna-Cab models which requires you to install two separate files:
1) the main firmware, and 2) a separate Dyna-Cab file. To install both files using automatic download, please use the version of Fractal-Bot that is built into the latest release of FM3-Edit. https://www.fractalaudio.com/fm3-edit
NOTE: FM3 Firmware 9.x and subsequent versions are a different size compared to 8.x and earlier versions.
Should you ever need to downgrade from 9.x or newer to 8.x or older, a special process is required. See this article:
NEW FEATURES & UPDATES
EFFECT BLOCK UPDATES
o Filter Block Updates
Added a Touch Wah type to the Filter block. This is similar to the Envelope Filter but uses a different type of
detector and voltage-to-frequency converter. This type can be used to create interesting touch-sensitive filter
sounds. It can also be used to replicate the Korg A3 Touch Wah sound as follows:
Set Mode to MIX
Set Start Freq to maximum. Set Stop Frequency to minimum.
Start with a fairly high Attack Time, around 500ms.
Set Release Time to around 200ms.
Adjust Sensitivity to taste.
Added the Auto-Wah type to the Filter block. This is based on the same "circuit" as the Envelope Filter but
replaces the detector with an LFO.
Added LFO Tempo control to the Filter block.
o Improved the Auto-Swell type in Volume block. Added Release time and Hysteresis controls to allow fine-tuning to playing style. Hysteresis controls how much extra the signal must fall below the threshold before the detector releases.
o Changed the Envelope Follower in the Megatap, Multitap, and Plex blocks to use the same algorithm as the improved Auto-Swell algorithm in the Volume block. The purpose of the Envelope Follower is to generate volume swells.
o Added Crossfade Time control to the Crystal Echoes type in Pitch Block.
o Improved pitch shifting.
o New Sample/Hold Delay Plex Delay type added.
OTHER UPDATES
o Added a Send MIDI Clock option.
o Added a Receive MIDI Clock option. This can be configured to receive MIDI beat clock messages or ignore them.
o Added activity sensing to internal pedals, FC pedals and external controllers. This stops Auto-Engage from activating an effect if the pedal/controller is not connected. This prevents, for example, a Wah being engaged if Auto-Engage is on but no pedal is connected (i.e., you left your expression pedal at home).
o Improved tuner. The new algorithm is faster and more accurate.
o Added selectable Tuner color theme.
o Added date and time to the version information returned to FM3-Edit. This obviates the need to manually select "Refresh After New Firmware" if updating from beta releases (requires updated FM3-Edit).
o Now when loading a preset that was created using a previous firmware version the preset number will be shown in inverted text on the large font home GUI. This indicates that the preset needs to be saved under the current firmware to update it for compatibility with "Gapless Changes – ALL". Presets created and saved with the currently running firmware also load faster in general.
FIXES
o Fixed LFO Phase not working for Vibe modes in the Phaser block.
o Corrected the VU meter display operation for Out2 on the routing grid view, zoom mode
VERSION 9.01
October 11, 2024
IMPORTANT: If updating from a firmware version prior to 9.0 you will need to upgrade to the current Dyna-Cab models which requires you to install two separate files:
1) the main firmware, and 2) a separate Dyna-Cab file. To install both files using automatic download, please use the version of Fractal-Bot that is built into the latest release of FM3-Edit. https://www.fractalaudio.com/fm3-edit
NOTE: FM3 Firmware 9.x and subsequent versions are a different size compared to 8.x and earlier versions.
Should you ever need to downgrade from 9.x or newer to 8.x or older, a special process is required. See this article:
NEW FEATURES & UPDATES
EFFECT BLOCK UPDATES
o Filter Block Updates
Added a Touch Wah type to the Filter block. This is similar to the Envelope Filter but uses a different type of
detector and voltage-to-frequency converter. This type can be used to create interesting touch-sensitive filter
sounds. It can also be used to replicate the Korg A3 Touch Wah sound as follows:
Set Mode to MIX
Set Start Freq to maximum. Set Stop Frequency to minimum.
Start with a fairly high Attack Time, around 500ms.
Set Release Time to around 200ms.
Adjust Sensitivity to taste.
Added the Auto-Wah type to the Filter block. This is based on the same "circuit" as the Envelope Filter but
replaces the detector with an LFO.
Added LFO Tempo control to the Filter block.
o Improved the Auto-Swell type in Volume block. Added Release time and Hysteresis controls to allow fine-tuning to playing style. Hysteresis controls how much extra the signal must fall below the threshold before the detector releases.
o Changed the Envelope Follower in the Megatap, Multitap, and Plex blocks to use the same algorithm as the improved Auto-Swell algorithm in the Volume block. The purpose of the Envelope Follower is to generate volume swells.
o Added Crossfade Time control to the Crystal Echoes type in Pitch Block.
o Improved pitch shifting.
o New Sample/Hold Delay Plex Delay type added.
OTHER UPDATES
o Added a Send MIDI Clock option.
o Added a Receive MIDI Clock option. This can be configured to receive MIDI beat clock messages or ignore them.
o Added activity sensing to internal pedals, FC pedals and external controllers. This stops Auto-Engage from activating an effect if the pedal/controller is not connected. This prevents, for example, a Wah being engaged if Auto-Engage is on but no pedal is connected (i.e., you left your expression pedal at home).
o Improved tuner. The new algorithm is faster and more accurate.
o Added selectable Tuner color theme.
o Added date and time to the version information returned to FM3-Edit. This obviates the need to manually select "Refresh After New Firmware" if updating from beta releases (requires updated FM3-Edit).
o Now when loading a preset that was created using a previous firmware version the preset number will be shown in inverted text on the large font home GUI. This indicates that the preset needs to be saved under the current firmware to update it for compatibility with "Gapless Changes – ALL". Presets created and saved with the currently running firmware also load faster in general.
FIXES
o Fixed LFO Phase not working for Vibe modes in the Phaser block.
o Corrected the VU meter display operation for Out2 on the routing grid view, zoom mode
unix-guy
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And a matching one for FM9
Hey, I usually only go to the fas forum to check for FM3 firmwareAnd a matching one for FM9
norminal
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This is a pleasant surprise!
iaresee
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Pitch shifting sounds, behaves identically between my AFIII, FM9 and FM3 here with the latest firmware on each.
GTR37
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one day he will shock us and post his new hand signed Dumble serial #21
paisleywookiee
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Me too. There’s a lot of diaper rash over there, for a bunch of “fans”.Hey, I usually only go to the fas forum to check for FM3 firmware
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Damn, the gap between updates on all 3 units has gotten considerably smaller in the last several updates. While I've never owned an FM3, it's already surpassed what I assumed the limits of it were, specifically with the pitch block. Fractal is killin' it, as usual!
norminal
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It’s pretty amazing how much it’s matured since its release. Like I always say, used first generation FM3’s are an excellent value.
paisleywookiee
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Not gonna lie; I’ve got FM3 on my watch list. It’d be a nice addition to my man-purse. Either that or the requisite HX Stomp.
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