yeky83
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I'd think you can skip the uploading it to your Axe-Fx step...
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eggpl@nt
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(I just don’t know how to route signals like that “in the box.” I imagine you need loopback capabilities on your interface?)I'd think you can skip the uploading it to your Axe-Fx step...
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What I love about the Fractal verbs is how bright they can be if you want them to. The delays are really good too. Much better now than the Axe II days imho!
What was the nature of things you were wanting to change that wasn’t easy at the rehearsal? Was it changing the parameters of the blocks you already had loaded up? Or was it adding new stuff and rerouting? Both?
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Yeah adding new blocks, rerouting, deleting an entire parallel path that I decided I no longer wanted in my template. That kind of thing.
You think it would have been easier to physically rearrange and reroute a bunch of pedals on a board, assuming you had all the right parts?
This is one of the things I appreciate about helix, it’s about as easy as it can be to make this kind of change but the routing is a lot more limited. I think the fractal FM stuff gives me easy enough access to the things I do typically touch at a gig or rehearsal. I’ll find out soon enough…
I don’t usually make the kinds of changes you’re describing at a rehearsal though, generally once I get to rehearsal I’ll turn a few knobs if needed but any substantial changes I just make a mental note and do it after the rehearsal. That might not be a real option for you though depending on what you’re rehearsing for and what the timing of everything is.
Between the Fractal rack and the Helix rigs I used a huge pedalboard. The thing I enjoyed most about it was when I wanted to experiment with something new live or at a rehearsal it was so easy to do it, nothing between me and just turning some knobs. That assumes I could just leave everything where it was in the signal chain though and so I had multiples of some things in different parts of the chain (like a reverb before and after the dirt section). I also had to deal with cables going bad, tap dancing, etc but it was fun for some things.
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Nothing would make me walk out of a gig faster than a 122dB guitarist.Some quality threads at the FAS forum today
A guy arguing because he wants to play at 122db with an speaker w a tweeter and have not feedback issues
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With the GigRig G3?? Yeah, it would be easier. You can change the order of the loops very easily on a per-preset basis. So that part of it, assuming I had all the right parts and everything connected up and what not ... yeah. Think it would be better than both Helix and Axe3 just in terms of effects order changes. With the real amp in one of the loops, putting any effect after the amp would be a doddle too.
I guess for this particular rehearsal, it was more "let's get together and work on a song and experiment with a bunch of stuff" as opposed to "let's work on a pre-agreed setlist" type of rehearsal. For me it was more of a "I know the parts I want to play, but I don't know what tones I want to use... not exactly...." so I was trying to experiment on the fly with a bunch of stuff.
Basically right now for this new material, I'm trying to decide on a direction to go.
1. Stick with the Helix for my live stuff, which I've been using since 2016. And a few sound quality niggles aside (reverbs mainly!) it has been good.
2. Move over to the Axe3 + FC12, which gives me a LOT more possibilities, and particularly better reverbs.
3. Move over to a GigRig G3 setup, of which a HX Stomp would factor in quite a bit. Along with my Meris LVX and MercuryX pedals... I think it could be the best of all worlds.
Please stop fueling my G3 gas. I assumed it would be harder to change programming on than a Helix, not easier…. I did not need to know that.
I know you dislike the midi on the Ventris, but if you only need to do program changes on it with Helix it has been bulletproof for me live in the loops of helix being controlled by snapshots for song part changes. Then again, I like that setup so much that I’m ordering an FM9 to stay ITB, so there’s that…
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GTR37
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Sorry!
So what you'd do is go into the menu... scroll down to loop order... go into that.... then you'd press the 1-12 buttons in the order that you want them. The G3 then sets up that particular preset to use the order you tapped in. There's no fucking around moving blocks or cables, it is really easy!!
(Sorry again!)
It has been a while but from memory I found the Ventris not great at spillover and quite glitchy when changing presets. The weird occasional digital pops and stuff that would happen. Did that get ironed out do you know??
The Meris pedals are actually really stellar in this respect.
Sorry!
So what you'd do is go into the menu... scroll down to loop order... go into that.... then you'd press the 1-12 buttons in the order that you want them. The G3 then sets up that particular preset to use the order you tapped in. There's no fucking around moving blocks or cables, it is really easy!!
(Sorry again!)
It has been a while but from memory I found the Ventris not great at spillover and quite glitchy when changing presets. The weird occasional digital pops and stuff that would happen. Did that get ironed out do you know??
The Meris pedals are actually really stellar in this respect.
I’m gonna try to forget that about the G3…
I’ve had no issues with glitchiness, pops; or spillover with this caveat: only use one reverb engine at a time and engage the spillover. If you try to use two at once it can’t do the spillover. That’s been fine for me as I can get all I need from one reverb engine at a time.
I think I’ve had it in the rig for maybe 2 years (possibly less), and I’ve had no issues in that time. I shot it out with the blue meris reverb pedal, and while the meris was stellar I could duplicate it with the software on the Ventris plus the Ventris has lots of other good stuff like great spring sounds.
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Interesting. Maybe I was trying some fucked up dual reverb thing. I honestly can't remember.
You've seen my nearly 2 hour video on the Ventris right?? I loved the sounds from it! Probably one of the best reverb pedals you can get.
You can get amazing pad textures just by cranking the decay on the bloody room algorithm. Not a lot of pedals can do that. And each algorithm has its own unique thing going on. It isn't like Fractal where you have small, medium, large Hall "algorithms" for instance... which from what I can tell (famous last words! Cliff will probably jump in and call me a twat now!!), are all the same thing under the hood... they just have different initialisation parameters. Which is fine... gets you up and running fast... but also clutters up the algorithm/model selector page.
You've given me GAS now. Consider this GAS WARS!
Yep, I didn’t connect the dots for a long time that it was your video but I’ve seen it, multiple times probably. I’ve always meant to revisit the room algo based on the huge sounds you got from it. That video convinced me to buy the Ventris initially, and I bought the meris and the empress too just to make sure I ultimately picked the one I thought was the best for me.
Fractal reverbs used to be that way, same algo just different parameters, but there places where it diverts from that pattern like the spring algo I think. For the brief time I had the FM3, it seemed to be largely the same algo just with different settings for the hall based stuff.
I’m curious to see how the FM9 reverbs compare to the Ventris. While I don’t like having an external unit I have gotten spoiled to how glorious it sounds for some things. There is one thing I remember fractal doing better though, and we’ll see if my memory is any good once I do get the fm9. If you set a long predelay for the tail, fractal handled the onset of that tail in a very smooth way as I recall. With nearly every device I’ve used since then including the Ventris, it’s anything but smooth how the tail comes in with a long predelay setting. I like that long predelay because it allows for a very wet reverb sound when I want it but keeping good definition and clarity to my dry signal. When the tails onset isn’t smoothed out a bit, it can be a little jarring or distracting at times with certain parts that I might play.
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And atrocious spelling, grammar and attitude!Oh did I say gig?
No this is his rehearsal room
Because they play loud metal
Unfortunately the thread was locked by the time I got back to it. What a tool!
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I don’t think English is his primary language, so he gets a pass for that one. The problem with that thread was that the member who was overly concerned with the potential for hearing damage was a bit too aggressive in the presentation of his concerns, which resulted in an aggressive response. A simple “Hey, I deal with hearing loss for a living, so I hope you are taking appropriate measures of hearing protection when dealing with those volume levels.” This shows care without sounding like a scolding nanny, and things would have likely been fine.
GTR37
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Or not
I honestly have a theory that all the recent members starting
Why is this squealing ?
Why does Fractal sound thin compared to my plug ins
All the high gain amps sound like crap , any one else have this ?
I think they are alts if you look at history they join years ago and have none or limited posts .
One guy was offended that he could not delete posts and said that is crap and went so far as actually changing his user name to get rid of history ,
Maybe not all but I think a few are pro trollers just out to create threads and start a dumpster fire
kind of like TGP
iaresee
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Except that doesn't get rid of your history.
GTR37
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does HE know that though
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