Fractal Audio Systems VP4 - Virtual Pedalboard

Personally for me the chorus, phaser should be before the amp/cab, and then delay and reverb after if you're simulating a fx loop type thing, but again people like what they like!
 
BROCKSTAR said:
Personally for me the chorus, phaser should be before the amp/cab, and then delay and reverb after if you're simulating a fx loop type thing, but again people like what they like!
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Yeah I can see that, I also really like moving chorus around a lot. It’s excellent after reverb too. Mind you I use very little phaser or chorus, like max of 15% mix on either, so whether in front of the amp or after is fairly minor.
 
Desertdweller said:
You do you :ROFLMAO:
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Orvillain said:
YOU DO YOU !
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I've wanted to use this gif forever and this sitch is close enough :rofl
 
Desertdweller said:
Think about it this way - inside a modeler you usually run your effects after the cab block, right? They just sound better that way. Why couldn’t you do the same thing with a real amp? Heck with an Axe FX or FM9 you could set up 2 paths:

Path 1: Run your amp into a load box, and then into a path with all of your effects going to FOH.
Path 2: Copy all of the same effects and run this path in the FX loop of your amp to go out to your amp return and cab on stage.

This gives you the best possible sound to FOH and the best possible sound to your amp.
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Im a pretty low end user of FX (basic delays and reverbs) so im not fussed if things are before or after the cab block. And in the real world I'm always using amp fx loops.

The revelation for me was being able to do this using the load box instead of the amps loop. I guess I could use a gate pedal and other pedals this exact same way instead of the vp4 but the timing of hearing that + everything the VP4 brings to the table is just all around win for me. Ironically I'd been using plugins for delay/reverbs for ages which work great and are super flexible, but for more performancy or on the fly kind of changes its not great taking your hands off the guitar. I'd need to grab some foot pedals and deal with mappings, that right there is one of the VP4 benefits around here.
 
Just had a 5min play with the vp4 to make the cabling was good / no noise or weirdness... wow... I just dropped in the ambient delay with a studio reverb and it sounds amazing, like stupidly good... I've got it on the floor now with an expression pedal. I'll be figuring out 4cm / pitch shifting Drop Z laser beam FX alongside washy ambient Alexisonfire emo stuff from here on out. It's surpassed my initial expectations (which was frankly pretty high)

I'm pretty sure it can't do 4cm + Stereo Output via SPDIF. If there's a way that would be awesome but I'm just guessing the outputs just mirror the I/O and they're already used up for 4cm. Would be amazing if it could do that but happy camper as is.
 
[Nathan] said:
Just had a 5min play with the vp4 to make the cabling was good / no noise or weirdness... wow... I just dropped in the ambient delay with a studio reverb and it sounds amazing, like stupidly good... I've got it on the floor now with an expression pedal. I'll be figuring out 4cm / pitch shifting Drop Z laser beam FX alongside washy ambient Alexisonfire emo stuff from here on out. It's surpassed my initial expectations (which was frankly pretty high)

I'm pretty sure it can't do 4cm + Stereo Output via SPDIF. If there's a way that would be awesome but I'm just guessing the outputs just mirror the I/O and they're already used up for 4cm. Would be amazing if it could do that but happy camper as is.
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Phat Perms.
 
Okay, I'll preface this post by saying this is just my opinion. And I'm a nobody, so no one probably cares what I think anyway. But, I'll dive in anyway. I like hearing about what other people do. It helps me experiment and try new things. But I generally balk whenever anyone says you "must" or you "should" do something a particular way. In my opinion, this can stifle creativity. Guitarists that I admire often find their own sound by doing things their own way. If I'm always trying to be like someone else I'll never find my own voice. That's why I only play in bands that allow me some leeway to put my own spin on things. If they want me to spend hours coping the exact tone and the exact lead line in a song, then I'm trying to be someone else. I'll never be a rock start. I'm 63 and have had surgery in my fretting hand. The rock star boat done sailed for me. But, I can still do my best to cop my own sound and my own style, building on knowledge shared by others. But I'll never tell someone they must do something a particular way, or they are expressing themselves wrong. I might not like what I hear, but I almost always respect someone for attempting to innovate, trying something that's not been done before. Treading into the unknown is where discoveries are made. The next Jimi Hendrix (or Robert Fripp, or Adrien Belew or Alan Holdsworth or Pat Metheny or Pat Martino or EVH) won't become the next Jimi Hendrix by doing things just like someone else. Hendrix's mastery of doing things that no one else did is a big reason why he is still relevant today. Saying "I like" is a lot different than saying "you should" or "you're wrong" unless you're trying to mimic a tone or technique as closely as possible. As stated above, this is just my opinion.

YMMV
 
I tried almost every combo of routing I could think of (4cm, analog connections, digital connections, direct analog from loadbox, loadbox to rme then spdif in/out etc)

My primary use is making amp/pedal demos easier —> practicing guitar more fun —> everything else.

All things considered for me having stereo output on fx was more important than 4cm. Ontop of that I’m taking the loadbox to the interface via analog then routing it straight to spdif out to the vp4 and back in. This just means that I can record the loadbox direct or engage the vp4 and mess around, it’s also 2 digital cables which is super easy routing wise. Now that I’ve settled on this I’ll start hacking away on some patches.
 
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