Fractal Audio Systems mystery product speculation

[Sascha Franck]

Just on the modular thing - SPDIF is not usually a zero latency interface. Sometimes the latency experienced with SPDIF input is longer than the analog input latency. The digital data stream is collected in buffers on the way in and doesn't necessarily pass on to further processing with minimal delay.

Add to this that each CPU will stlll deliver it's own latency. Given that nowadays complete AD/DA conversions can be done in <1ms, also given that the FAS units come with around 3ms RTL (from all I remember). So instead of 6ms in total when running two devices serially, you will now be at around 5ms. Very obviously, fidelity is preserved better that way, but you don't win much in terms of latency.

 

[jellodog]

Just on the modular thing - SPDIF is not usually a zero latency interface. Sometimes the latency experienced with SPDIF input is longer than the analog input latency. The digital data stream is collected in buffers on the way in and doesn't necessarily pass on to further processing with minimal delay.

Interesting...

 

[the swede]

You need to work on your posing-with-snails skills, though.
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It was my 10 yo holding it. I won’t touch those things It’s kinda cute… and weird… them being not “normal” snails. But heck no I’m not holding them. They’re fast fuckers to.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

It was my 10 yo holding it. I won’t touch those things It’s kinda cute… and weird… them being not “normal” snails. But heck no I’m not holding them. They’re fast fuckers to.

Kill it. It‘s disgusting and invasive. Kill it now.

 

[the swede]

Kill it. It‘s disgusting and invasive. Kill it now.

As usual… like always. Dad gets the jobs no one wants to do. In this case it’s the destruction of the eggs…. Makes me feel really manly… (I fucking cry inside every time). But yeah.. that’s the rules for snails like those.

 

[Orvillain]

Little bit of a spanner in the works for me today yknow....

It turns out that I really love my MercuryX, and I will definitely want to keep it alongside the VP4.

The LVX, I'm actually less fussed about. I'm not doing anything with it that I can't do with the Fractal DM2, Carbon Copy, Tape Delay, and Digital delay.... but the MercuryX.... there's some really tasty stuff in there, particularly when you crank the mix and the decay on the 78 Hall algorithm, and then swell some chords into it.... makes very moist noises, I don't think I can give it up.

I'll be selling my Flashback II X4, my Timeline, and possibly my LVX.... but I'll be keeping the MercuryX. Tis too good.

 

[FractalAudio]

Just on the modular thing - SPDIF is not usually a zero latency interface. Sometimes the latency experienced with SPDIF input is longer than the analog input latency. The digital data stream is collected in buffers on the way in and doesn't necessarily pass on to further processing with minimal delay.

No. The analog input has to be buffered as well. In most (all?) processors you buffer data up in frames. A typical frame size is, say, 32 samples. You can't start processing that frame until it is full. When it is full you ping-pong and start filling the opposite buffer.

The physical latency of SPDIF is usually no more than a sample or two. A typical A/D converter has a latency of 10-20 samples.

The same thing happens at the output. You read from an output buffer and when it's empty you ping-pong to the opposite buffer.

A typical D/A has a latency of, again, 10-20 samples. A SPDIF output has only a sample or two.

So, in the case where you use a frame size of 32 you get a total buffer latency of 64 samples. If we assume the A/D and D/A are 16 samples each the total latency is 96 samples. If you use SPDIF you'd have about 30 samples less latency.

 

[DLC86]

@FractalAudio since we're talking about spdif... what signal will we find at the spdif out when the VP4 is in 4CM mode? Is it a copy of what we find on the analog outs (L=mono out and R= fx send) or still the main stereo output?

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

@FractalAudio since we're talking about spdif... what signal will we find at the spdif out when the VP4 is in 4CM mode? Is it a copy of what we find on the analog outs (L=mono out and R= fx send) or still the main stereo output?

This is an amazing question

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

It is to help with reading comprehension.

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

I hope it also cures being a dick!

Nope

I didn't see anything about that in here

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

 

[SillyOctpuss]

I hope it also cures being a dick!

 

[Sidler72]

Sex
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[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Sex
Pants
Dick
Input
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FTFY

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

@FractalAudio since we're talking about spdif... what signal will we find at the spdif out when the VP4 is in 4CM mode? Is it a copy of what we find on the analog outs (L=mono out and R= fx send) or still the main stereo output?

I think this answers your question...but I could be reading it wrong

 

[holoholo]

Alright perusing the TOP VP4 thread, why does TOP quote stuff from this thread but will never say where it comes from? Wtf is up with that.

 

[norminal]

Alright perusing the TOP VP4, why does TOP quote stuff from this thread but will never say where it comes from? Wtf is up with that.

Probably because they won’t admit that they are either a member or lurk here due to fear of being berated by their peers.

 

[DLC86]

I think this answers your question...but I could be reading it wrong

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That talks about the SPDIF input and input mode though... Don't think it answers my question