First rule of capo club is..

Ah, but why play that old moldy song when one could play "Wonderwall" instead?

And it doesn't even need a capo.

Anyways...

Lol, because someone’s paying me to play it?

“Hey, I know you paid me to play that song, but can you change your show to this song instead so I don’t have to use a capo?”

“Why can’t you use a capo?”

“Because only posers who don’t know how to play use them”

“You’re fired.”
 
Lol, because someone’s paying me to play it?

“Hey, I know you paid me to play that song, but can you change your show to this song instead so I don’t have to use a capo?”

“Why can’t you use a capo?”

“Because only posers who don’t know how to play use them”

“You’re fired.”

Well dagnabbit - you missed the joke.

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Lol, because someone’s paying me to play it?

“Hey, I know you paid me to play that song, but can you change your show to this song instead so I don’t have to use a capo?”

“Why can’t you use a capo?”

“Because only posers who don’t know how to play use them”

“You’re fired.”
So you're bullied into using a capo... :cop

I see. :grin
 
By the way, for realz... consider this if you aren't aware:

This is capo'ing with your fret hand, except it's an "active" capo.

(Single string tapping is of course a very similar concept - "moving the nut")

Joe Satriani - Day At The Beach (New Rays From An Ancient Sun):





I remember playing a Satriani song back in the day where you fret B notes on g string 4th fret and e string 7th fret with your right hand and play a cool little groove with hammer ons and pull offs around frets 9-13…

What was that song? :unsure:
 
I remember playing a Satriani song back in the day where you fret B notes on g string 4th fret and e string 7th fret with your right hand and play a cool little groove with hammer ons and pull offs around frets 9-13…

What was that song? :unsure:

Only songs I know (meaning "heard" and "played" - although it's been a long time) by Satriani where he does this technique are "Day At The Beach", "The Forgotten (Part One)" and "Midnight".



 
It is nice to learn everyone's perspective.

People may have different opinions, and they are based on their experiences. Nobody is wrong.

I play some songs (covers) using capo because I had used a capo either when I learned it or interpreted the chords to suit my voice using a capo.

I have been effect-shamed by a guitar teacher after a gig ended (at a bar) because I have tried numerous times to incorporate pedals into my rig but have given up. I only have a tuner and 2 overdrive pedals.

He said he could understand the pressure of singing and playing guitar, so I should look for another guitarist who will play effect-laden parts. He had said that I sound bland.

I am aware of my limitations/ skill level. Inspite of being teary eyed, I just nodded when he said that. I know that he meant well, but I am not the superwoman superskilled guitarist he expects me to be. And it's ok.

Let's be like a family on here, and respect everyone's opinions. As I said, No one is wrong. Thank you for being helpful as always :)
 
… I have been effect-shamed by a guitar teacher after a gig ended (at a bar) because I have tried numerous times to incorporate pedals into my rig but have given up. I only have a tuner and 2 overdrive pedals.

He said he could understand the pressure of singing and playing guitar, so I should look for another guitarist who will play effect-laden parts. He had said that I sound bland. …
I’m sorry that you had to go through that. I admire anyone that goes out there and plays in front of others. That’s strength. If you can do that without effects, even better.
 
I’m sorry that you had to go through that. I admire anyone that goes out there and plays in front of others. That’s strength. If you can do that without effects, even better.

Thank you. I am clumsy and bad at tap dancing. Also I can't afford a 250$ reverb pedal, even if I like it. (Looking at you RV-200).

If and when I can set some money aside, I wanna buy an inexpensive telecaster for backup.

My friend who is good at setting up her guitars has been helping me for a while. But she only knows basic stuff. We wanna visit a professional and get our guitars set up. Maybe he will let us see it when he does it.
 
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Only songs I know (meaning "heard" and "played" - although it's been a long time) by Satriani where he does this technique are "Day At The Beach", "The Forgotten (Part One)" and "Midnight".





I’m gonna have to record a clip and start a thread, now it’s driving me crazy that I can’t remember the song.

I remember playing Midnight back in the day! That was a fun one. I’d forgotten all about that technique
 
You can get that voicing without a capo by muting the G string with the tip of your 1st finger or part of your 2nd finger and flattening your 1st finger to get the sus 4 on the 1st string. If I want a E sus 4 I'll also play a open position E triad (top 4 strings only, but you can use the 5th and 6th string too) and hammer on the sus 4 at the 3rd string 2nd fret. Or top 3 strings only D shape 4th fret and hammer on the A at 5th fret 1st string. Or you can include the open D on the 4th string for a little color. Or;
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hammer on the A at the 10th fret 2nd string with your pinky.
Take the E shape up to the 12th fret (top 3 or 4 strings only) and you can reach the A at the 17th fret with your pinky for the sus 4.

Do these voicings sound exactly the same as the capo versions of open voicings? Maybe not, but IMO just as pretty.

No, we're talking about fundamentally different things. As said, feel free to post an even remotely similar sounding E4 (or Eadd4) example. Look at the video I posted to get an idea.
Yes the post about the I to IV chord change was was from my reply to a diffrent member. Somehow you included that post into the discussion between you and I.

See my post above about the E sus 4 or E add 4.
 
Ok, I’m talking about the exact same notes with the exact same voicing shown in my posts.

Again, my point is there are some things that are physically impossible to play without a capo. If you disagree with that please post a photo of yourself playing this exact chord with these exact notes in this exact voicing without a capo:

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We can create chords that are impossible to play on the guitar without a capo, however there is no reason to play those same exact notes in the same exact places when those notes are availble as slightly diffrent voicings of the same chord. Unless you're in a tribute band, guitarists come up with diffrent chord voicings all the time. And in a tribute band the only time to use a capo is if the original recording had a capo. In a tribute band you'd better be able to sing the song in the original key of a recording that's been heard a thousand times. We are not recordings, we're humans playing an instrument. You can get close enough with a diffrent fingering that is close in register to the original.

What song is that chord from? It seems to be more of an exercise in trying to create an impossible chord without a capo than a good musical example. It is a F minor add 9 with the notes F Ab, Ab, F, G, F. The 2 Ab's are the same exact note, and 2nd and 3rd Fs are the same notes, so you only have 4 diffrent pitches F, Ab, F, G. It's not a often used or particularly good sounding chord. It can be played:
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There is a C added at the 2nd string because it sounds better to my ear that way. However the C can be omitted and it can be played:
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It is nice to learn everyone's perspective.

People may have different opinions, and they are based on their experiences. Nobody is wrong.

I play some songs (covers) using capo because I had used a capo either when I learned it or interpreted the chords to suit my voice using a capo.

I have been effect-shamed by a guitar teacher after a gig ended (at a bar) because I have tried numerous times to incorporate pedals into my rig but have given up. I only have a tuner and 2 overdrive pedals.

He said he could understand the pressure of singing and playing guitar, so I should look for another guitarist who will play effect-laden parts. He had said that I sound bland.

I am aware of my limitations/ skill level. Inspite of being teary eyed, I just nodded when he said that. I know that he meant well, but I am not the superwoman superskilled guitarist he expects me to be. And it's ok.

Let's be like a family on here, and respect everyone's opinions. As I said, No one is wrong. Thank you for being helpful as always :)
You made some very valid points. Every player does things differently. The "tried and true" way of doing things for one player isn't necessarily the same for everyone. Everyone learns and develops this craft at their own pace. Getting up and performing in front of strangers can be intimidating. Eventually, you'll be able to still have the jitters, but use that nervous energy in your favor, where you don't feel like it's bogging you down. It's okay to have some stage fright before a performance. Many still do, even after decades of playing in front of people. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't understand how a teacher, who is supposed to be encouraging, can shoot you down so readily. That's uncalled for. Sorry you had to experience that.

You may want to consider a different teacher who will tell you like it is (not constantly tell you you're doing everything perfectly), but will do it kindly and respectfully.

That kind of empathy and diplomacy, towards another person, goes a long way. A teacher is supposed to build up the student, not tear them down.

Skill and fluidity in playing come with time and practice. That usually takes some years. Be patient with yourself. All that will come to you, including getting comfortable with effects changes - whether you're using a single multi-effects processor, or a slew of pedals.

Guitar effects are just another set of basic tools to enhance your playing experience, while also giving you a large pallet of sounds to choose from, that may not be possible without them. Many bands use effects as an integral part of the song , and some songs just wouldn't be possible to re-create faithfully, without them.

There's no shame in that. Anyone that tries to convince you that you shouldn't be using effects is mistaken.

I've done some covers where I was needed for some harmonizing vocals, in live settings. I was okay, but nothing to write home about. I tried this original tune that had my lyrics, but failed miserably. Bailed on that. Lyrics just don't come naturally to me. I'm more of an instrumentalist and always have been.

I am not a singer, by any stretch of the imagination. Singing and playing simultaneously is a gift. Pulling those two off, while also manually engaging the right effects, at the right time, are kind of an art, in itself :-). You'll get there! Don't be discouraged. Believe in yourself and keep on pushing. It's within your reach. I guarantee it!

I'll get off my soapbox, now.

Be encouraged :-). You've got this!
 
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