Fender Tone Master Pro: Episode IV - A New Hope

[metropolis_4]

What is the problem with scenes?

It would be a bummer if Fender did screw them up and aren’t owning up to the mistake and fixing it

 

[[Nathan]]

What is the problem with scenes?

It would be a bummer if Fender did screw them up and aren’t owning up to the mistake and fixing it

I tested scenes out and they worked fine for me in general, but I’ll need to test this tomorrow to see what the fuss is about. Sounds like if you have scene1 with a chorus off and scene2 with a chorus off. If you turn the chorus on in scene1 then flick to scene2 the chorus is still on.

Fender are saying that was the intentional functionality and users are saying it should respect the scene and turn off the chorus. Looks like fender have acknowledged this feedback and it will get updated at some point.

I mean it’s great to have options and I would have assumed flicking to a scene decimates whatever you have off/on and uses the saved scene as gospel…. But I can see the flip side and why they did it the way it is. The reality is if I’m using scenes I probably won’t ever touch individual pedals cause I’d just be flicking between scenes, kind of the whole point… but we’re not all the same I get it.

People love complaining, looks like it’s getting updated, should be a win win but the complaints never end.

 

[metropolis_4]

I tested scenes out and they worked fine for me in general, but I’ll need to test this tomorrow to see what the fuss is about. Sounds like if you have scene1 with a chorus off and scene2 with a chorus off. If you turn the chorus on in scene1 then flick to scene2 the chorus is still on.

Fender are saying that was the intentional functionality and users are saying it should respect the scene and turn off the chorus. Looks like fender have acknowledged this feedback and it will get updated at some point.

I mean it’s great to have options and I would have assumed flicking to a scene decimates whatever you have off/on and uses the saved scene as gospel…. But I can see the flip side and why they did it the way it is. The reality is if I’m using scenes I probably won’t ever touch individual pedals cause I’d just be flicking between scenes, kind of the whole point… but we’re not all the same I get it.

People love complaining, looks like it’s getting updated, should be a win win but the complaints never end.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing!

I think other devices have a toggle setting to choose whether changes are saved or blown out when changing scenes. I bet they’ll eventually add something like that and for a first release they just went with what they thought would be the most popular use case.

Definitely doesn’t seem like an issue, just the way it was designed

 

[JiveTurkey]

I tested scenes out and they worked fine for me in general, but I’ll need to test this tomorrow to see what the fuss is about. Sounds like if you have scene1 with a chorus off and scene2 with a chorus off. If you turn the chorus on in scene1 then flick to scene2 the chorus is still on.

Fender are saying that was the intentional functionality and users are saying it should respect the scene and turn off the chorus. Looks like fender have acknowledged this feedback and it will get updated at some point.

I mean it’s great to have options and I would have assumed flicking to a scene decimates whatever you have off/on and uses the saved scene as gospel…. But I can see the flip side and why they did it the way it is. The reality is if I’m using scenes I probably won’t ever touch individual pedals cause I’d just be flicking between scenes, kind of the whole point… but we’re not all the same I get it.

People love complaining, looks like it’s getting updated, should be a win win but the complaints never end.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing!

I think other devices have a toggle setting to choose whether changes are saved or blown out when changing scenes. I bet they’ll eventually add something like that and for a first release they just went with what they thought would be the most popular use case.

Definitely doesn’t seem like an issue, just the way it was designed

There are variants of this functionality in a lot of these devices. And tbh; it's one of the worst things to remember when switching between this modeler family and that modeler family. I don't have enough brain to remember if it's revert/ignore/snap revert/wtfever.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I mean it’s great to have options and I would have assumed flicking to a scene decimates whatever you have off/on and uses the saved scene as gospel…. But I can see the flip side and why they did it the way it is. The reality is if I’m using scenes I probably won’t ever touch individual pedals cause I’d just be flicking between scenes, kind of the whole point… but we’re not all the same I get it.

This is why I only bought a Helix Floor when they introduced Snapshot Bypass. Which is allowing you to have the pedal's on/off status saved with snapshots (which would obviously be the default and most common use case, no idea why it's different on the TMP, in fact, I don't even know what else scenes would really be good for...), but you can as well deactivate it so a pedal's status is valid patch wide. The latter being what I really wanted (and also used a lot once I bought the Floor).

 

[Frodebro]

Every time i’ve opened the TMP thread at TOP i see that dude bitching about something. Reminds me of the “just telling it like it is” type

That thread was just nuked, which is a shame. FleshlightNYC (or whatever he goes by) was just starting to get nasty with me. Missed opportunities…

 

[privatezero]

That thread was just nuked, which is a shame. FleshlightNYC (or whatever he goes by) was just starting to get nasty with me. Missed opportunities…

Side story, I got into it with the same guy about 2 months ago (FleshlightNYC) when he tried to tell me my opinion wasn't as valid as his because he had a youtube video he posted with 8000's views. (probably all his from reliving his lifes greatest acheivement of making a youtube video.)

When he just wouldn't stop I reported him and the response I got from the Mods was , and I quote, " The user you reported was already banned so i don't know what else you want me to do" and lo and behold a few weeks later he's back.

 

[Frodebro]

Side story, I got into it with the same guy about 2 months ago (FleshlightNYC) when he tried to tell me my opinion wasn't as valid as his because he had a youtube video he posted with 8000's views. (probably all his from reliving his lifes greatest acheivement of making a youtube video.)

When he just wouldn't stop I reported him and the response I got from the Mods was , and I quote, " The user you reported was already banned so i don't know what else you want me to do" and lo and behold a few weeks later he's back.

Thing is, I completely understand his frustration. But lashing out at anybody that tries to interact with you isn't really conducive to moving forward. And if a bunch of people are trying to tell you that your presentation is a bit too aggressive, maybe they're not the problem.

 

[Sascha Franck]

You would expect discord users to trend younger, but the majority of amp requests are traditional amps, not too many high gain suggestions.

So younger = high gain?

 

[Frodebro]

I just checked the discord, and what is interesting to me is what amps people are requesting be added. It tells you the kinds of players who have purchased the TMP. You would expect discord users to trend younger, but the majority of amp requests are traditional amps, not too many high gain suggestions.

I think Fender actively targeted people who are familiar with the Fender name, and also new to modeling. If you're a 'straight into a Twin Reverb with a touch of spring reverb and some occasional tremolo' kinda fella, this is your ticket. That generally trends toward a more mature demographic.

 

[sashimi]

It’s almost 2025. I don’t think you can make any blanket assumptions like younger players like high gain, when high gain happened 20-30 years ago. I bet its more gen x dudes in their 40s and 50s that want high gain. Clean to overdriven guitar is not just for boomers, it’s trendy right now for guitar players.

 

[[Nathan]]

I just checked the discord, and what is interesting to me is what amps people are requesting be added. It tells you the kinds of players who have purchased the TMP. You would expect discord users to trend younger, but the majority of amp requests are traditional amps, not too many high gain suggestions.

I’m usually an optimist with these things but amp requests for any device just seem like a waste of time, none of the companies really listen, they just seem to do their own thing. There was some pretty big community backlash about the lack of bass options in the TMP and they finally added a bunch of stuff so I guess they listen to bigger picture issues. But I doubt they’re going to add a redseven, mezzabarba, lichtlaerm or any of the boutique stuff so what’s the point continuously asking. I’d love to see a jvm in there.

There’s also an element that it’s already doing a great job and more is just better-er. Rob Arnold and Ola have some good vids for metal, and this patch here I dialled in is pretty sick

 

[laxu]

I’m usually an optimist with these things but amp requests for any device just seem like a waste of time, none of the companies really listen, they just seem to do their own thing. There was some pretty big community backlash about the lack of bass options in the TMP and they finally added a bunch of stuff so I guess they listen to bigger picture issues. But I doubt they’re going to add a redseven, mezzabarba, lichtlaerm or any of the boutique stuff so what’s the point continuously asking. I’d love to see a jvm in there.

I'd say it's not even worth listening to many of the requests because they are basically "I want a digital version of this expensive boutique amp for free". Then when they get it, they have already moved on to the next hyped amp and start asking for that. It was never about the particular sounds of that amp, and more about the hype around it.

 

[GTR37]

I'd say it's not even worth listening to many of the requests because they are basically "I want a digital version of this expensive boutique amp for free". Then when they get it, they have already moved on to the next hyped amp and start asking for that. It was never about the particular sounds of that amp, and more about the hype around it.

That’s the one thing that would make them standout though
It would be nice if they grabbed a few amps that the rest of the crowd did not have
Like a Mesa Badlander
Or an HK Triamp or an MT100
That would be cool

 

[laxu]

That’s the one thing that would make them standout though
It would be nice if they grabbed a few amps that the rest of the crowd did not have
Like a Mesa Badlander
Or an HK Triamp or an MT100
That would be cool

Then someone will complain "Ugh, why doesn't it have <classic amp>, why did they add <modern amp> before that?!"

Looking at the TMP model list, most of the archetype amps are already covered. Could use a JTM45, a Dumble style amp, Hiwatt DR103, maybe a Fryette Deliverance or Pitbull.

Unusual options are fun, but most people aren't using them - even if they keep asking for them. The value of a H&K Triamp is more in the real amp having a shitload of channels and features, but in a digital form it's not that relevant when you are a few button presses away from tons of other amps.

 

[ian_dissonance]

If the tube simulation cant be turned off, then it cant really be used as a preamp into a tube amp.

Their approach seems to obfuscate that. The manual says when cabs are disabled, to run into a solid state amp.

They did some unique implementation IMO between amp models and cabs. Seems like the power amp modeling is in the amp model, but the actual speaker impedance curve is tied to the cab, so they must have used some sort of “clean” load box for modeling and then correct at the cab for the speaker. I would assume using it into a tube amp/cab would be fine, you’d just want to be careful of the “color”coming from the master volume of the amp model.

 

[[Nathan]]

With the price differential between this and the QC, you could stick a ToneX into loop1 to cover your profiling needs. My inner child likes the TMP best.

Not even worth the effort (extra cost/power/cables) honestly, so much easier having one unit and expression pedals and keeping all the presets/routings all in one. I feel this way for any of them really (FM3/9, QC, Helix, TMP etc).

Its worth checking out. I like how they modeled the power amp saturation between the master and channel volume. But if the master volume is kept on 1, and the simulation is turned off is there enough volume to level balance with other patches by boosting the channel volume? I would have to try it, but it would be so much smarter if they just let you toggle it off

I run mine regularly through an Orange Pedal Baby into a 1960a cab and it feels fine. I've also run it through a EVH 5150iii 50w (straight to RETURN loop) and also seems fine. I guess for jamming/gigging tones I'm way more lenient on modellers not being 99% authentic to tube... if it feels good in the hands, sounds audibly good, sits in a mix well and also gives me the pedalboard flexibility then something like the TMP is doing the job Id expect of it.

If I'm in the studio / recording and nerding out on tones then thats where I'd more care about poweramp modelling authenticity and finding good ways to push/pull things. And if we're gonna spark up that kind of conversation then Fractal is really the only one I think who's put in the work to give you all that granular control at your fingertips. Helix and QC are in the same ballpark as TMP imo.

 

[laxu]

If the tube simulation cant be turned off, then it cant really be used as a preamp into a tube amp.

Their approach seems to obfuscate that. The manual says when cabs are disabled, to run into a solid state amp.

I've honestly run a bunch of modelers into my BluGuitar Amp 1 ME's poweramp (which is meant to behave a bit more like a guitar poweramp) and Fryette PS2/PS-100 (meant to be a neutral tube amp) and running the full model was totally fine, at least at low to moderate volumes.

A guitar poweramp will color the sound more, but you can usually combat this with settings on the poweramp, or the amp modeling, global EQ etc.

 

[JCW308]

I'm back on the TMP bandwagon! I actually have TWO of them now. One for the home studio and one for live gigs.

There are two things I still need that the TMP doesn't yet have:

- Expression pedal heel down to bring up the tuner (like BOSS GT / Kemper / Fractal)

- Option to have "transparent" delay tap tempo, where the time glitches cannot be heard, even with analog delay models

I hope these two small features can be added soon!

@stilwel !!!

 

[Mongillo19]

I'm back on the TMP bandwagon! I actually have TWO of them now. One for the home studio and one for live gigs.

There are two things I still need that the TMP doesn't yet have:

- Expression pedal heel down to bring up the tuner (like BOSS GT / Kemper / Fractal)

- Option to have "transparent" delay tap tempo, where the time glitches cannot be heard, even with analog delay models

I hope these two small features can be added soon!

@stilwel !!!

What made you switch from Kemper (I think that's what you were using and seeing the Kemper for sale )