Dimehead NAM Player

[Dom Mcsweeney]

The only 'open source' part in the NAM world is Steve's repository on Github.
What other people have gone on to build, may not be open source.

If not, they aren't obliged to discuss their technology with you or anyone, although it seems to a certain point they have.

Please do something else, as this isn't going to change anytime soon.

 

[nikitasius]

The only 'open source' part in the NAM world is Steve's repository on Github.
What other people have gone on to build, may not be open source.

If not, they aren't obliged to discuss their technology with you or anyone, although it seems to a certain point they have.

Please do something else, as this isn't going to change anytime soon.

If they like to avoid discussions they can just fill website with all technical information like other folks do. Also to sell the product you obliged to discuss w/ clients as is.

But it doesn't answer my question: why they put 2048 sample IR profiles into 4096 sample device (sure i'm correct and these profiles are 2048 sample each, 8kb IR files) nor why to ban potential client. Answer cost few cents and give +595€ to their budget. They have to develop their commercial & communication parts.

 

[nikitasius]

Ahh i see "Affiliated with Neural Amp Modeler (NAM)". Well you could answer me (and maybe other folks who is willing to buy it or have similar questions)?

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

What does it matter?
And why would they want to be threatened by person who isn't even a customer yet?
It sounds to me like there as another side of the story (not your part), and that they decided enough was enough.
Go and hassle another company about their technology instead.
Why are you not hassling Line 6 about the same thing?

Hardware needs sufficient 'headroom' to allow for future updates / features, so *maybe they've capped it at 2048.
2048 is a perfectly fine and sufficient length of IR for any modeler.

* Don't quote this detail, I can't confirm it is 2048, and I don't really care if it is or isn't.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Ahh i see "Affiliated with Neural Amp Modeler (NAM)". Well you could answer me (and maybe other folks who is willing to buy it or have similar questions)?

Yes, I help out voluntarily - with regards to Steve's open source project.
I'm a customer of Dimeheads, not 'part of the company', I'm not employed by them, nor do I have every detail you are asking for.

 

[nikitasius]

What does it matter?
And why would they want to be threatened by person who isn't even a customer yet?
It sounds to me like there as another side of the story (not your part), and that they decided enough was enough.
Go and hassle another company about their technology instead.
Why are you not hassling Line 6 about the same thing?

Hardware needs sufficient 'headroom' to allow for future updates / features, so they've capped it at 2048.
2048 is a perfectly fine and sufficient length of IR for any modeler.

Main website clearly says:
> The NAM player features a powerful Impulse Response (IR) loader that supports IRs up to 4096 samples in length, providing incredibly detailed and accurate cabinet simulations.

Well, they aren't mention that it's capped. Guess for downconvert they use soxr?


> I'm a customer of Dimeheads, not 'part of the company', I'm not employed by them, nor do I have every detail you are asking for.
Okay, i misread your signature, thanks.

 

[nikitasius]

Btw, i don't want to give lessons how to sells to Dimehead & Co. Their business is their business. Just the product is unclear for me.

> And why would they want to be threatened by person who isn't even a customer yet?
But i will answer you. I mentioned on Instagram that i would like to buy it this week to keep it in "march budget history". I was doing last checks to get the info they won't shared with me. So i'm VERY surprised about the info you write me "so they've capped it at 2048". Idk what exactly:
* factory presets = bad management, they have to move on 4096
* downconvert = they have to update the website and remove 4096 mention

You know how me (and any else) could be frustrated after buying this device and getting such support? A lot!
> It sounds to me like there as another side of the story (not your part), and that they decided enough was enough.
Unclear one.

> Go and hassle another company about their technology instead. Why are you not hassling Line 6 about the same thing?

I don't hassle people. I share my experience being "banned almost a client". Share my frustrations about poor website. Share my felicitations to their answers for my questions (before they banned me) and for the device (idea, realisation & usability).
it just exists as is. it's here. If Dimehead folks will come to make some moments clear - it will be great. If not - well, it stays as is. If i will move into Line6 directions i will examine all the ecosystem (apps, firmwares & APIs) too. I will look for reviews & teardowns.

 

[nicolasrivera]

OMG!!!

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Btw, i don't want to give lessons how to sells to Dimehead & Co. Their business is their business. Just the product is unclear for me.

> And why would they want to be threatened by person who isn't even a customer yet?
But i will answer you. I mentioned on Instagram that i would like to buy it this week to keep it in "march budget history". I was doing last checks to get the info they won't shared with me. So i'm VERY surprised about the info you write me "so they've capped it at 2048". Idk what exactly:
* factory presets = bad management, they have to move on 4096
* downconvert = they have to update the website and remove 4096 mention

You know how me (and any else) could be frustrated after buying this device and getting such support? A lot!
> It sounds to me like there as another side of the story (not your part), and that they decided enough was enough.
Unclear one.

> Go and hassle another company about their technology instead. Why are you not hassling Line 6 about the same thing?

I don't hassle people. I share my experience being "banned almost a client". Share my frustrations about poor website. Share my felicitations to their answers for my questions (before they banned me) and for the device (idea, realisation & usability).
it just exists as is. it's here. If Dimehead folks will come to make some moments clear - it will be great. If not - well, it stays as is. If i will move into Line6 directions i will examine all the ecosystem (apps, firmwares & APIs) too. I will look for reviews & teardowns.

It seems you looked really deep into the specifics of their system and were very impressed except one thing. And that one thing, although in use it is currently only providing 2048 instead of 4096, it is still providing WAY MORE than a modeler ir needs!

So are you really looking for a NAM player that has all your needs covered or just looking to have fight on the internet about something that is totally meaningless?

 

[jellodog]

Btw, i don't want to give lessons how to sells to Dimehead & Co. Their business is their business. Just the product is unclear for me.

> And why would they want to be threatened by person who isn't even a customer yet?
But i will answer you. I mentioned on Instagram that i would like to buy it this week to keep it in "march budget history". I was doing last checks to get the info they won't shared with me. So i'm VERY surprised about the info you write me "so they've capped it at 2048". Idk what exactly:
* factory presets = bad management, they have to move on 4096
* downconvert = they have to update the website and remove 4096 mention

You know how me (and any else) could be frustrated after buying this device and getting such support? A lot!
> It sounds to me like there as another side of the story (not your part), and that they decided enough was enough.
Unclear one.

> Go and hassle another company about their technology instead. Why are you not hassling Line 6 about the same thing?

I don't hassle people. I share my experience being "banned almost a client". Share my frustrations about poor website. Share my felicitations to their answers for my questions (before they banned me) and for the device (idea, realisation & usability).
it just exists as is. it's here. If Dimehead folks will come to make some moments clear - it will be great. If not - well, it stays as is. If i will move into Line6 directions i will examine all the ecosystem (apps, firmwares & APIs) too. I will look for reviews & teardowns.

@Enchilada Jones is totally right.

Buy the Dimehead player now because it ticks every other goddam box for you or stop complaining and move on. Just make a decision.

 

[jellodog]

I need one of JiveTurkey's emergency Snickers.

 

[Antipodes]

So they can accomodate 4096 samples in an IR. OK. Does that mean that all their included IRs should be that length? Nope. Why would you assume that?

You can load other IRs besides the factory ones.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Yeah, 2048 is a good optimum length of an IR, costs less processing, and frees up processor headroom.
It's pretty wise to not push a modeler unit to it's 'maximum' just for the sake of it.

Being hellbent on details like this, starting a fight with a tiny company because you distrust them ... really not a good look if your only test is based on hacking into their firmware and measuring the length of the stock IRs.

That's ludicrous, and 100% not proof of any 'spec' on a device, and is only a 'shoot yourself in the foot' moment.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Hi folks,
I'd like to share my experience with Dimehead NAM Player. Not as a "real customer" but as a "banned almost customer".

My story w/ nam starts from NSDP QuadCortex, which i was googling after seen it on a friend's guitar teacher twitch podcast. Well, i've found Leo's videos (the Gibson one). I see damn there are WHOLE world of these tiny (and not) more or less propriotary DSPs. And i see Nam Player. I say WOW! BIG FAT WOOOOOW!
* They share their linux firmwares!
* They use LINUX!
* They have ultra low latency!
* They are GEEKS!
* They use opensource NAM profiles
* They use 4096sample/48kHz IRs
* It cost for me little bit more than 600€ but i can afford it (as i can afford QC or FM9) for home guitar play <3

I see thats a perfect device for me. I work in dev/architecture/security/whatever under my debian for last 15 years <3

I subscribed to their facebook, instagram to follow their posts and be up-to-date. Digged a bit deeper, to see how they do it, etc etc. Seems perfect. But i love details. I'm nerdy guy and this nerdy device seems to match my needs. But their website aren't :| Nor the forum (two gear forums), nor the fb, nor the instagram. I wanna know THD, wanna know dBu, wanna know kHz, bits & latencies and much much more.

So i start chatting with them on instagram. About ADC/DAC and they say they they use 32bit AD/DA. About latencies, they are under 1ms cause they use RTOS (and thats true btw). About current ripple, where they say they do double conversion: to 5V and to 3.3/1.8/+-15V and their noise is just 10uV. I'm bit surprised, they go deeper (nerdy <3), share photo, share that it's 1MHz converter and 3 LDOs. They confirm that they use AK4558EN & OPA1678 ! I'm surprised why, WHY they don't publish it? The answer is that most of people care about features :| Well, most but not me. They confirmed 8 dBu headroom. I already prepared a Li-Ion battery block to power that beaty + building a linear PSU actually (was finishing parts list to order on digikey and then solder it) on 20V and 1-2mV ripple.

Everytime i have to ask to get the info. Website have description, FAQ and firmwares. Well i download all firmwares(from 0.9.1 to 1.1.0, oldones are still on server) and open it. I work on linux last 15 years. I have real love to this opensource (..half opensource project, cause firmware source aren't shared, sadly).

I see the hostname raspberrypi4-64 (googline fast stompbox project which is migrating on raspi5). See "Poky (Yocto Project Reference Distro) 4.0.14", see the soxr opensource lib. See that they are let kernel work on 1 core from 4 (3 cores are isolated and guess will be used only by nam player). See factory NAM profiles, they are cooool, see their reverb files, see the IR files. LGPL software <3

I install Audacity, import 1-st file `1x12closed_EVM12_E906.ir` as 32bit/48khz and it gives me 43ms. I know nothing i google it and see that 43ms it's for 2048 samples. Checking-rechecking, see posts about "4096 it's about 100ms" so.. seems correct. Have question: why they put 2048 IR profiles into device which support 4096?.. Sure i mention that i can be wrong and my match aren't good and in new in nam... And they ban me.

I don't wanna rage, i'm just sad. I really-really like this device. I like the architecture, i'm ready to pay 600€ to enjoy multiple NAMs and IRs i see over the web. But i can't and i wouldn't ever do it. Just my 2 cents.

There are no firmware cracking. It's a linux firmware, there are nothing to crack, all is inside.

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I know that Dimehead folks are here on this forum. Idk why they act like this. It's a great nerdy geek fun device so keep in minds that nerdy geeks will buy it too.
Me.. guess i have to look for the alternatives.

If they like to avoid discussions they can just fill website with all technical information like other folks do. Also to sell the product you obliged to discuss w/ clients as is.

But it doesn't answer my question: why they put 2048 sample IR profiles into 4096 sample device (sure i'm correct and these profiles are 2048 sample each, 8kb IR files) nor why to ban potential client. Answer cost few cents and give +595€ to their budget. They have to develop their commercial & communication parts.

Main website clearly says:
> The NAM player features a powerful Impulse Response (IR) loader that supports IRs up to 4096 samples in length, providing incredibly detailed and accurate cabinet simulations.

Well, they aren't mention that it's capped. Guess for downconvert they use soxr?


> I'm a customer of Dimeheads, not 'part of the company', I'm not employed by them, nor do I have every detail you are asking for.
Okay, i misread your signature, thanks.

Btw, i don't want to give lessons how to sells to Dimehead & Co. Their business is their business. Just the product is unclear for me.

> And why would they want to be threatened by person who isn't even a customer yet?
But i will answer you. I mentioned on Instagram that i would like to buy it this week to keep it in "march budget history". I was doing last checks to get the info they won't shared with me. So i'm VERY surprised about the info you write me "so they've capped it at 2048". Idk what exactly:
* factory presets = bad management, they have to move on 4096
* downconvert = they have to update the website and remove 4096 mention

You know how me (and any else) could be frustrated after buying this device and getting such support? A lot!
> It sounds to me like there as another side of the story (not your part), and that they decided enough was enough.
Unclear one.

> Go and hassle another company about their technology instead. Why are you not hassling Line 6 about the same thing?

I don't hassle people. I share my experience being "banned almost a client". Share my frustrations about poor website. Share my felicitations to their answers for my questions (before they banned me) and for the device (idea, realisation & usability).
it just exists as is. it's here. If Dimehead folks will come to make some moments clear - it will be great. If not - well, it stays as is. If i will move into Line6 directions i will examine all the ecosystem (apps, firmwares & APIs) too. I will look for reviews & teardowns.

If I were them, and you were this annoying for minute details, I'd probably stop responding too.

 

[Blix]

If I were them, and you were this annoying for minute details, I'd probably stop responding too.

100%, it's ridicolous.

 

[nikitasius]

Before all:

• As a buyer in a Europe i have all righs to ask seller all the information i need before i will buy the product and they must answer me.
• As a seller in a Europe Dimehead must publish specifications which their device must match. He is obliged.

Here we go, quotes:

OMG!!!

Yep, ridiculously amazing!

It seems you looked really deep into the specifics of their system and were very impressed except one thing. And that one thing, although in use it is currently only providing 2048 instead of 4096, it is still providing WAY MORE than a modeler ir needs!

So are you really looking for a NAM player that has all your needs covered or just looking to have fight on the internet about something that is totally meaningless?

As a customer i want 4096 samples as website says. I find a big mistake to offer 2048 samples in the device which suppose to "supports IRs up to 4096 samples in length, providing incredibly detailed and accurate cabinet simulations", while technically load aren't mean use. While there are noone from Dimehead and they don't want to explain the issue i will start. 50/50 i'm right or wrong:
> they use 2048 samples, they can do downconvert from 4096 to 2048. It still match the description: it offer to "load 4096" and also it give better details if downsamling use better algo. So, highly probably NAM Player use soxr for these purposes. If i'm wrong - i invite folks from dimehead to correct it, to say they they load 4096 samples and they use 4096 samples w/o any modifications.

@Enchilada Jones is totally right.

Buy the Dimehead player now because it ticks every other goddam box for you or stop complaining and move on. Just make a decision.

If this nicely made clone of stompbox had better "client support" i would like to buy it. Actually i don't see them here.

So they can accomodate 4096 samples in an IR. OK. Does that mean that all their included IRs should be that length? Nope. Why would you assume that?

You can load other IRs besides the factory ones.

Guess they won't use 4096 sample @ 48kHz as is. I don't see them here answering or precising it on a website.

Yeah, 2048 is a good optimum length of an IR, costs less processing, and frees up processor headroom.
It's pretty wise to not push a modeler unit to it's 'maximum' just for the sake of it.

Being hellbent on details like this, starting a fight with a tiny company because you distrust them ... really not a good look if your only test is based on hacking into their firmware and measuring the length of the stock IRs.

That's ludicrous, and 100% not proof of any 'spec' on a device, and is only a 'shoot yourself in the foot' moment.

2048 is a actual value for all brand pedals (ik that some have 1024). Thats not enough for me. I don't want to start a fight, i want to have informations which they suppose to add on their website so folks like me won't dig into linux firmware to see whats inside. If i go for 2048 i will take a brand which i can easily re-sell. Dimehead namplayer is a nerdy product, i can't re-sell it. So if they want people buy if it must be special.. or just a good made no matter what they are cloned.

100%, it's ridicolous.

Truly, i never seen such support for french clients.

 

[Elf]

I see the hostname raspberrypi4-64 (googline fast stompbox project which is migrating on raspi5). See "Poky (Yocto Project Reference Distro) 4.0.14", see the soxr opensource lib. See that they are let kernel work on 1 core from 4 (3 cores are isolated and guess will be used only by nam player). See factory NAM profiles, they are cooool, see their reverb files, see the IR files. LGPL software <3

Yeah I don't understand why they got upset about you pointing out they are using those libraries. But yeah this device is not for you, in my opinion it is overpriced and no re-sale value.

 

[JiveTurkey]

You're not going to get anywhere near this level of detail of tech specs from Kemper, NDSP or ToneX. Pick your battles.

 

[nikitasius]

Yeah I don't understand why they got upset about you pointing out they are using those libraries. But yeah this device is not for you, in my opinion it is overpriced and no re-sale value.

Yep i don't understand too. I don't need to know their secrets. I don't trust in magic too. I just want to know whats inside + if they are really use 4096 sample IRs as is without downsampling. I like this device, yes it's very overpriced, yes it probably contain flaws which can cost a burned chipset if i unplug it from power while it working. But i can load any NAM profile from the web as is.. i hope too. In fact i don't know if NAM profiles aren't modded (i hope aren't) and idk if IRs are legit too.

 

[nicolasrivera]

Kids this days....