Dimehead NAM Player

just curious, but what exactly would be the simple things you're after?

It's not exactly what I'm "after", but rather some sort of mix between observations and my own experience, resulting in certain "this could be done better without re-inventing the wheel or costing a fortune"s.

I mentioned most of it already, but here we go:

First off, there's two things that I think are just less than ideal hardware design.

The switches are too close to each other. Now, while I didn't see the device myself so far, I entered its dimensions on pedalplayground and compared to the HX Stomp. The switches of the latter are sort of as tight together as it could get. Any smaller and you're running into troubles to operate the inner switches (I already ran into some mal-operations stepping onto two switches simutaneously accidentally on the Stomp). The Dimehead is pretty much comparable in size but crams 4 switches into the same area where the Stomp has just three. That's just too close for proper operation on a busy live stage. And fwiw, this obsewrvation/conclusion is shared by quite some other folks as well.

Then there's the main tonestack pots. On any programmable device, it's just no good idea to use standard pots rather than endless encoders and some parameter readout (ideally via LED rings, but display-readouts would likely be fine as well). With standard pots you're inevitably running into parameter jumps or need to deal with some "soft takeover" function (which, from all I know, is not implemented in the Dimehead). Neither of those is a good solution and it defenitely doesn't matter that both Boss (with their ME 90) and NSDP (just to name two) are also going for that approach.

Similar things could be said for the operation of other parameters. One single parameter knob simply isn't great when adjusting plenty of parameters.

And while the amount of parameters accessible has been pretty limited at first, with additional FX being added, heck, even with a second NAM slot, you'll find yourself hopping between parameters a lot and the entire hardware design isn't doing that justice.

Without changing anything else, just considering the points mentioned, so far my recommendation would be:

1) Make the thing larger or reduce the switches to 3 and allow the user to connect 2 (or maybe even 4) external switches/pedals).

2) Come up with a decent navigation and editing system. Ideally a touchscreen to select (and perhaps move) things, 5 endless encoders to adjust. A touchscreen is not mandatory, though, for a rather simple unit such as this an arrow L/R/up/down based system would possibly be absolutely sufficient. 5 encoders would however be mandatory. Having just 3 on the Stomp IMO is one of its absolutely biggest shortcomings. If you want a role model for that kinda design, look no further than the GT-1000 Core, it's almost perfect regarding all the mentioned issues.
Fwiw: 5 encoders: Gain, bass, mids, treble, volume - hence exactly what you usually need to adjust a NAM block.

IMO if all these had been covered with the first version, it might already have sold some more units. I don't think it would've been all that much more expensive to produce, either. I once looked up HX replacement encoders and they're pretty cheap. Without the click function (which isn't really a must-have), they could be much more robust for the same money.
Fwiw: A monochrome display is absolutely fine in my book, no need to waste money here.

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Now, depending on where you'd want to take such a device, there's some other things. Some are lacking in comparison with other units, some may deserve more love.
Just coming to my mind, in no particular order:

- Onboard audio interface. That's pretty much a standard these days and it can come in very, very handy. Doesn't need to be the lowest latency thing ever, any cheap chip would do. Heck, Line 6's onboard interfaces are sort of the worst in their class and yet they can be used just fine. In a perfect world, the device could also be USB bus-powered (should be possible given the current power requirements).

- An editor. Depending on how well the device is designed, an editor isn't all that mandatory, but in case you have it mounted on a larger scale pedalboard that you can't easily lift up, an editor is most welcomed.

- Stereo operation. No idea how the thing works internally, so this might add quite some cost as it'd require additional CPU juice, but at these fantastic technical values along with an option to load long IRs for reverbs, mono-only operation is wasting some potential. Now, personally, I usually play strictly mono, but if I were to come up with any kind of setup suitable for wild and wet ambient dreams, I'd absolutely love an option to load some crazy IRs and have them processed stereo.

- External control ins (already mentioned briefly above). Could reduce the amount of on-unit switches and could as well allow for realtime control of whatever parameters. Especially in case all you want is some simple parameter control through a pedal, MIDI only is a bad solution as expression pedals with MIDI out are quite expensive. Adding a MIDI pedal with expression ins is a pretty convoluted approach just for that task.

- MIDI thru. No explanation required.

- More FX. Not going into any details because my personal needs are extremely modest here. However, in addition to the typical suspects (modulations, delays, reverbs), I'd defenitely like to see some EQs.

- Improved NAM block. Look at the one in Two Notes' Genome. It's most excellent IMO, allowing you to get the most out of a capture. Along with such an improved block, there should be block presets (so the rest of your patch could stay intact).

- Global blocks. I am requesting this from each and every modeling device. Because every modeling device should have it. Tell a loaded block to be a global one and have any adjustments made within that block valid for all patches using that block. Take the GT-1000 as a role model. The Kemper's parameter lock function is serving sort of similar purposes, too, but the GT-1000 has it sort of perfect, from all I know (will buy one when I'm back from a tour in 4 weeks, so I'll finally be able to share details, there's very little only information about that kickass feature).

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I could possibly write all day long, but it'd likely go wasted, so I rather don't.
However, as you can see, there's some things that, while requiring a new hardware revision, would defenitely not break the bank. And then there's some other things that only needed new software (some of that new software however required some new hardware to work properly).
 
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It's not exactly what I'm "after", but rather some sort of mix between observations and my own experience, resulting in certain "this could be done better without re-inventing the wheel or costing a fortune"s.

I mentioned most of it already, but here we go:

First off, there's two things that I think are just less than ideal hardware design.

The switches are too close to each other. Now, while I didn't see the device myself so far, I entered its dimensions on pedalplayground and compared to the HX Stomp. The switches of the latter are sort of as tight together as it could get. Any smaller and you're running into troubles to operate the inner switches (I already ran into some mal-operations stepping onto two switches simutaneously accidentally on the Stomp). The Dimehead is pretty much comparable in size but crams 4 switches into the same area where the Stomp has just three. That's just too close for proper operation on a busy live stage. And fwiw, this obsewrvation/conclusion is shared by quite some other folks as well.

Then there's the main tonestack pots. On any programmable device, it's just no good idea to use standard pots rather than endless encoders and some parameter readout (ideally via LED rings, but display-readouts would likely be fine as well). With standard pots you're inevitably running into parameter jumps or need to deal with some "soft takeover" function (which, from all I know, is not implemented in the Dimehead). Neither of those is a good solution and it defenitely doesn't matter that both Boss (with their ME 90) and NSDP (just to name two) are also going for that approach.

Similar things could be said for the operation of other parameters. One single parameter knob simply isn't great when adjusting plenty of parameters.

And while the amount of parameters accessible has been pretty limited at first, with additional FX being added, heck, even with a second NAM slot, you'll find yourself hopping between parameters a lot and the entire hardware design isn't doing that justice.

Without changing anything else, just considering the points mentioned, so far my recommendation would be:

1) Make the thing larger or reduce the switches to 3 and allow the user to connect 2 (or maybe even 4) external switches/pedals).

2) Come up with a decent navigation and editing system. Ideally a touchscreen to select (and perhaps move) things, 5 endless encoders to adjust. A touchscreen is not mandatory, though, for a rather simple unit such as this an arrow L/R/up/down based system would possibly be absolutely sufficient. 5 encoders would however be mandatory. Having just 3 on the Stomp IMO is one of its absolutely biggest shortcomings. If you want a role model for that kinda design, look no further than the GT-1000 Core, it's almost perfect regarding all the mentioned issues.
Fwiw: 5 encoders: Gain, bass, mids, treble, volume - hence exactly what you usuall need to adjust an NAM block.

IMO if all these had been covered with the first version, it might already have sold some more units. I don't think it would've been all that much more expensive to produce, either. I once looked up HX replacement encoders and they're pretty cheap. Without the click function (which isn't really a must-have), they could be much more robust for the same money.
Fwiw: A monochrome display is absolutely fine in my book, no need to waste money here.

---

Now, depending on where you'd want to take such a device, there's some other things. Some are lacking in comparison with other units, some may deserve more love.
Just coming to my mind, in no particular order:

- Onboard audio interface. That's pretty much a standard these days and it can come in very, very handy. Doesn't need to be the lowest latency thing ever, any cheap chip would do. Heck, Line 6's onboard interfaces are sort of the worst in their class and yet they can be used just fine. In a perfect world, the device could also be USB bus-powered (should be possible given the current power requirements).

- An editor. Depending on how well the device is designed, an editor isn't all that mandatory, but in case you have it mounted on a larger scale pedalboard that you can't easily lift up, an editor is most welcomed.

- Stereo operation. No idea how the thing works internally, so this might add quite some cost as it'd require additional CPU juice, but at these fantastic technical values along with an option to load long IRs for reverbs, mono-only operation is wasting some potential. Now, personally, I usually play strictly mono, but if I were to come up with any kind of setup suitable for wild and wet ambient dreams, I'd absolutely love an option to load some crazy IRs and have them processed stereo.

- External control ins (already mentioned briefly above). Could reduce the amount of on-unit switches and could as well allow for realtime control of whatever parameters. Especially in case all you want is some simple parameter control through a pedal, MIDI only is a bad solution as expression pedals with MIDI out are quite expensive. Adding a MIDI pedal with expression ins is a pretty convoluted approach just for that task.

- MIDI thru. No explanation required.

- More FX. Not going into any details because my personal needs are extremely modest here. However, in addition to the typical suspects (modulations, delays, reverbs), I'd defenitely like to see some EQs.

- Improved NAM block. Look at the one in Two Notes' Genome. It's most excellent IMO, allowing you to get the most out of a capture. Along with such an improved block, there should be block presets (so the rest of your patch could stay intact).

- Global blocks. I am requesting this from each and every modeling device. Because every modeling device should have it. Tell a loaded block to be a global one and have any adjustments made within that block valid for all patches using that block. Take the GT-1000 as a role model. The Kemper's parameter lock function is serving sort of similar purposes, too, but the GT-1000 has it sort of perfect, from all I know (will buy one when I'm back from a tour in 4 weeks, so I'll finally be able to share details, there's very little only information about that kickass feature).

---

I could possibly write all day long, but it'd likely go wasted, so I rather don't.
However, as you can see, there's some things that, while requiring a new hardware revision, would defenitely not break the bank. And then there's some other things that only needed new software (some of that new software however required some new hardware to work properly).
Very well written mate. Agree with MIDI thru and a desktop editor, but personally those aren't deal breakers for me. I absolutely see the merit in bringing these up. I'm just glad NAM Player is out and a Live, and affordable, unit for NAM exists. Personally I believe the biggest selling point isn't the NAM capability but the actual
.5ms latency. The fact that that isn't being championed more or talked about more online is baffling. I'm very keen to get this just for that alone, on top of the stellar NAM quality.

Personally I would maybe wait until at least Pitch effects are available, but as I see it now, the HX Stomp being the best value is hard to beat if you're after BREADTH of options and not FOCUSED quality.
 
This made my day:
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I'm trying to understand some of the technical details around input gain levels mentioned in this thread (and JF's thread). Anyone have a good resource that explains this well?

This product is pretty cool - the latency is amazing (although latency typically doesn't bother me on hardware units...but it can on software plugins) and the fact that it can run convolution reverbs is super cool. Of course, the captures will be good - we already know that.

I'm tempted to get one but I just don't like the blue screen :(

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Reminds me of the McIntosh amps which I find a little depressing -

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I don't need a touch screen at all, but I wish they'd gone with at least something like the Boss units with some color -

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This looks so much nicer to me -

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I probably shouldn't make such a big deal about the looks...it's about the tones after all. But it's such a nice looking unit otherwise and they got so much right...wish they'd gone the little extra step for a better screen without that dated blue look.
 
I'm trying to understand some of the technical details around input gain levels mentioned in this thread (and JF's thread). Anyone have a good resource that explains this well?


There's some updated info on the FAQ page on the Dimehead website... (See attached image).
I believe the units currently being shipped have an 8dbu input, so a similar headroom as you would find on a tonex, a strymon, or whathaveyou.

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I personally have no issue with the display. I'm sure that's something one can get used to, in time.
Also, it has a handy 'stage mode' for when you just want to see the name / number of preset.
The screen is adjustable in brightness, and the footswitch led colours can also be changed.


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ps. It appears a little different in the pictures, compared to seeing it in real life with your own eyes, but it is still 'blue'.
I actually really like it, but that's just an opinion and I am really not at all fussy about these things.
 
This looks so much nicer to me -

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I probably shouldn't make such a big deal about the looks...it's about the tones after all. But it's such a nice looking unit otherwise and they got so much right...wish they'd gone the little extra step for a better screen without that dated blue look.
I hear ya, but it IS better than the screen on the Nano Cortex Tonex.

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Dimehead just posted to their fb page with a 10% off deal, applied at checkout if you pre-order. Shipping resumes ~mid-november.
I had a look at the checkout price - it calculates a UK price of approximately £390 incl. delivery. =)
That's a pretty awesome.
 
Some very cool extra additions and improvements in the latest update!

NAM Player firmware update v.1.1.0
  • Added parametric EQ with additional Presets: Default (Plugin), classic british (Mshl), american style (Fndr)
  • MIDI CC functionality expanded: Added Delay Tap Tempo, Bank UP/DOWN (including in 1-4 mode), parametric EQ settings, toggle functions for: FX Loop, Boost NAM, Reverb, Delay, and Tremolo.
  • Fixed strange double footswitch long-press problems when stage mode and tuner are enabled

Get it here: https://www.dimehead.de/firmware/

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Question for @MirrorProfiles - picked up a number of your NAM packs - (amazing work btw) - what would you set the Dimehead gain (latest revision of hardware) for optimal interpretation of your profiles? Apologies if you mentioned that in this very long thread!
 
Hey everyone, it's Dirk from DImehead chiming in

In the first 25 units, we had a max of 2.2dBu, but starting from the second batch with the introduction of the FX loop, we changed it to 4dBu.

For future units, we will increase it to 8dBu. This is a value that is not only used by ToneX but also by many high-end products like Strymon.

Excessively high headroom isn’t always an advantage. It can result in under-utilizing the AD converter range and, especially with high-gain amps, lead to unnecessarily high noise levels.

So far, all users have been satisfied with this setup. Single coils typically put out a max of 1Vpp, and medium humbuckers around 2Vpp. For active super high-output pickups, the max level could indeed be too low in some cases.

The left bar graph displays the AD converter levels up to 0dBFS.

Additionally, the presets behave the same in terms of gain across all revisions. The headroom is internally compensated.

As a reference, Kemper’s 5dBu has been completely fine for its thousands of users over the past 10 years as well.
Are the units currently being shipped (received mine few days ago and ordered while you guys were out of stock) shipping with the 8dBU headroom?
 
Question for @MirrorProfiles - picked up a number of your NAM packs - (amazing work btw) - what would you set the Dimehead gain (latest revision of hardware) for optimal interpretation of your profiles? Apologies if you mentioned that in this very long thread!
Thanks! They’re captured at 11.4dBu, so somewhere between 2.5 and 2.8 on the pedal should get you fairly close.
 
@MirrorProfiles - just received an email for updated versions of the mkiii and jcm800 profiles I purchased — are these the same profiles with the additional calibration info for the latest version of NAM, redone profiles or just additional profiles? ’m only using these with Dimehead player and wanted to see if I should remove the original files and reload the new ones.
 
@MirrorProfiles - just received an email for updated versions of the mkiii and jcm800 profiles I purchased — are these the same profiles with the additional calibration info for the latest version of NAM, redone profiles or just additional profiles? ’m only using these with Dimehead player and wanted to see if I should remove the original files and reload the new ones.
They’re exactly the same but with input level calibration metadata. I’m not sure Dimehead supports it yet, but if they add the ability to read this data it should be able to calibrate things to unity automatically (which would be awesome!).

It also goes me an incentive now to start capturing drive pedals - are there any you’d like to see?
 
They’re exactly the same but with input level calibration metadata. I’m not sure Dimehead supports it yet, but if they add the ability to read this data it should be able to calibrate things to unity automatically (which would be awesome!).

It also goes me an incentive now to start capturing drive pedals - are there any you’d like to see?
100%! Precision drive, sd1 modded or otherwise, morning glory, Klon or variants, Mesa 5 band graphic eq - I know not a drive but probably could be nice to have, 808 or variant, Dallas solo storm or other variants, Russian muff, op amp muff, rams head muff, tone bender mkiii, ocd. So basically all the usual suspects 😉
 
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