Anyone else getting sick of GAS?

[Jarick]

I'm gonna take issue with that. The DR sim in the Amplifire is one of the most realistic among several excellent sims in the box. The Alessandro I had for awhile was the actual physical amp that Marc Gallo had used as his reference in finalizing the model. The far field IR I shared ca. 2019 came from that cab and speaker (which Eminence makes OEM for Alessandro). I also have IRs from an original AB763 DR cab with its original Jensen 12. Although I much prefer the Jensen IR, the Amplifire DR sim with the Alessandro IR played through one of my monitors - or any suitably transparent speaker - is an incredibly good match for the physical amp/speaker. FYI, a critical piece of making a reference comparison is matching volumes. Whatever the volume you need for the amp to get a particular sound, you will need to play the modeler/monitor at the same volume. Once you've gotten a suitable match, you can (obviously) play the modeler at a lower or higher volume. It won't sound identical, but the difference is due to your hearing, not to any tonal shift in the equipment.

Totally agree. Modelers nowadays with the right IR and the right speaker at the same volume will often be extremely close and far more versatile.

I said elsewhere, but I was on the verge of buying a Deluxe Reverb Tone Master several weeks ago. Unfortunately the attenuator steps were either whisper quiet or loud conversation, and there was a gap in the middle where I normally play. The amp sounded awesome clean at low volume, like a Deluxe Reverb, but I'd be locked into that one tone.

I ended up grabbing a Fender FR-12 and that particular cab with any modeler I run into it sounds really great at all kinds of different volumes with all kinds of different tones.

@mercifulfuzziness I may even be inclined to look at something like a UAD Clean 65 into a Fender FR-12 as a Deluxe Reverb alternative. It would be half the price of a new tube model and would scale really well at different volumes.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Totally agree. Modelers nowadays with the right IR and the right speaker at the same volume will often be extremely close and far more versatile.

I said elsewhere, but I was on the verge of buying a Deluxe Reverb Tone Master several weeks ago. Unfortunately the attenuator steps were either whisper quiet or loud conversation, and there was a gap in the middle where I normally play. The amp sounded awesome clean at low volume, like a Deluxe Reverb, but I'd be locked into that one tone.

I ended up grabbing a Fender FR-12 and that particular cab with any modeler I run into it sounds really great at all kinds of different volumes with all kinds of different tones.

@mercifulfuzziness I may even be inclined to look at something like a UAD Clean 65 into a Fender FR-12 as a Deluxe Reverb alternative. It would be half the price of a new tube model and would scale really well at different volumes.

I like the creativity. Let’s say we put the gain and master in the helix reverb at 2-3? Would that transfer to how a fender deluxe would soind on 2-3?

Of course no amp in the room… ! But that is not a big issue for now :)

 

[FuzzyAce]

That's not funny. My great grandfather died in a pool full of jello whilst wrestling with kids.

 

[FuzzyAce]

I think there is an ideal for every situation. Sometimes
it is a 1 x 10. Sometimes it is a 4 x 12. Though I seldom go more than 2 x 12 or dual 1 x 12s
these days.

Or even 2x8.
It's one of my favorite cabs in a small room. 2 Eminence 820H hemp speakers.
Clean, bouncy, smokey, solid lows, all without knocking you out. Records well too.

 

[Jarick]

I like the creativity. Let’s say we put the gain and master in the helix reverb at 2-3? Would that transfer to how a fender deluxe would soind on 2-3?

Of course no amp in the room… ! But that is not a big issue for now :)

Depends on how you are monitoring...

If you are running the Helix into a power amp and then into a 1x12 open back cab with a Jensen, it will sound pretty close to a Deluxe Reverb in the room. If you mic up a Deluxe Reverb and go listen back in the control room through monitors and compare to a Helix running direct with a 1x12 Deluxe IR, it will sound pretty close.

What are you trying to do with the modeler? Record with it, play live, or mostly at home?

Having gone through tons of different playback systems, for home use at lower volumes especially, the Fender FR-12 is my absolute favorite option.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Depends on how you are monitoring...

If you are running the Helix into a power amp and then into a 1x12 open back cab with a Jensen, it will sound pretty close to a Deluxe Reverb in the room. If you mic up a Deluxe Reverb and go listen back in the control room through monitors and compare to a Helix running direct with a 1x12 Deluxe IR, it will sound pretty close.

What are you trying to do with the modeler? Record with it, play live, or mostly at home?

Having gone through tons of different playback systems, for home use at lower volumes especially, the Fender FR-12 is my absolute favorite option.

100% home use and some jam sessions here and there.

Thanks!

 

[MirrorProfiles]

10,000 ads a day, and worst of all that doesn’t surprise me one bit. Blimey.

 

[Rock Chalk]

That's not funny. My great grandfather died in a pool full of jello whilst wrestling with kids.

Must have run out of wiggle room........

 

[Dave Lewis]

I almost bought a guitar on Christmas Day in the sales but didn’t because there were three to choose from and I couldn’t make my mind up

 

[Mikael Dez]

I almost bought a guitar on Christmas Day in the sales but didn’t because there were three to choose from and I couldn’t make my mind up
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That’s a sign, I said to myself

 

[Jynx]

I never really had GAS in the first place. Settled on the second modeller I bought.

I don't understand people selling and flipping all the time. And then selling again to go back and buy something they flipped previously. Only to flip it again.

So much effort.

 

[FuzzyAce]

I never really had GAS in the first place. Settled on the second modeller I bought.

I don't understand people selling and flipping all the time. And then selling again to go back and buy something they flipped previously. Only to flip it again.

So much effort.

Selling and flipping is a part-time job. Not worth the effort to me, although a lot of guys love the process.

 

[FuzzyAce]

10,000 ads a day, and worst of all that doesn’t surprise me one bit. Blimey.

I've always enjoyed Eno's perspective on the art of music and the world around that, even though I don't always agree with him outside of that realm with other topics.
10K sounds extraordinarily high too. Just say you were awake 16 hrs a day, that means you'd have to see around 1 ad every 5+ seconds to get up to 10,000. Unless my math is off. I get the point though, there are ads everywhere, we've just become so accustomed to them.

 

[deadpool_25]

I've always enjoyed Eno's perspective on the art of music and the world around that, even though I don't always agree with him outside of that realm with other topics.
10K sounds extraordinarily high too. Just say you were awake 16 hrs a day, that means you'd have to see around 1 ad every 5+ seconds to get up to 10,000. Unless my math is off. I get the point though, there are ads everywhere, we've just become so accustomed to them.

Apparently you're correct:

Edit: I'd guess we're normally in the 5,000-7,000 range these days?

The average person is exposed to between 4,000 and 10,000 ads per day:

• Explanation
  The average American is exposed to a wide range of ads on various media, including TV, radio, online, and print.
  
  
• Research
  However, research has shown that the number of ads people see is actually much lower:
  • In 1968, Bauer and Greyser conducted research where 750 people manually counted their ad exposures across four media. The result was an average of 76 exposures per day.
    
    
  • • In 2007, Mark Blackwell, a master's student at the University of Nebraska Omaha, recreated Bauer and Greyser's methodology and came up with an updated figure of 98.5 ads per day on average.
• • Traditional advertising
    Traditional advertising, also called “offline” advertising, includes ads on TV, radio, in print, billboard ads, and in public transportation.

 

[Sleezy E]

I never really had GAS in the first place. Settled on the second modeller I bought.

I don't understand people selling and flipping all the time. And then selling again to go back and buy something they flipped previously. Only to flip it again.

So much effort.

@JiveTurkey

 

[GTR37]

After nearly 10 years of digital modelling, I've come to the conclusion that it has not been good for either my enjoyment of guitar or my development as a musician. Having endless scope to try different amps with different micromanaged configurations and different IRs was fun and addictive, but it ultimately sucked the soul out of playing for me.

Looking at it now, I find nothing remotely appealing about a digital modeller and FR-FR speakers. These days I plug into nice small 112 tube amps, I turn them up a level so they're loud in the room and I use my Helix as a multi-effects pedal for drives, delay, etc. And I find myself being way happier.

There's no compulsion to tweak, there's no compulsion to adjust, and I never arrive at the conclusion that either the amp or the IR just sound wrong or off somehow. And how could it? The experience is entirely authentic.

Looking at a Supro Keeley or a Fender Deluxe Reverb or a Vox AC-15, there's something real and organic I’m them in a way that an FR-FR will never have. I Probably should have realised this a long time ago, but authenticity and simplicity are far more enjoyable than flexibility and endless options.

Great post , I think you can have both but I agree with the people that say if you can
Always keep a real amp in your collection for the moments you just want to play and not think

 

[FuzzyAce]

Apparently you're correct:

Edit: I'd guess we're normally in the 5,000-7,000 range these days?

The average person is exposed to between 4,000 and 10,000 ads per day:

• Explanation
  The average American is exposed to a wide range of ads on various media, including TV, radio, online, and print.
  
  
• Research
  However, research has shown that the number of ads people see is actually much lower:
  • In 1968, Bauer and Greyser conducted research where 750 people manually counted their ad exposures across four media. The result was an average of 76 exposures per day.
    
    
  • • In 2007, Mark Blackwell, a master's student at the University of Nebraska Omaha, recreated Bauer and Greyser's methodology and came up with an updated figure of 98.5 ads per day on average.
• • Traditional advertising
    Traditional advertising, also called “offline” advertising, includes ads on TV, radio, in print, billboard ads, and in public transportation.

It's definitely going up, no doubt. More people are on social media, Youtube, etc. Even if you take action to block typical ads, marketing is still there whether we're consciously aware or not.

 

[makeitstop]

My GAS has been subsiding slowly for the past few years, mostly because I've finally caught most of the gear I'd been chasing for years. I've got pretty much all the guitars I ever wanted, and if I buy one now it's to fill a specific need for this band or that.

I moved up to Fractal gear this year (started with and AX8 and then got a used FM3), and even without the latest and greatest Fractal has to offer I don't think there's going to be another huge step up for a while. I've toyed with the idea of buying some type of "FRFR" system, but I'm getting by just fine with the amps I've got.

I don't pay much attention to the Youtube gear shills - I did check out play-through videos and tutorials when I was learning the Fractal system, but none of those content creators are good enough salesmen to get me to buy something I don't need.

So...pressure's off. Now I learn the stuff I need to know for gigs and play pretty regularly, and I'm in the midst of renovating my demo studio so I've got all those great guitars at arm's reach. I've got some new material that I'll start recording in the new year, and I'll be able to do that without buying more gear, so it's all good.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

It's definitely going up, no doubt. More people are on social media, Youtube, etc. Even if you take action to block typical ads, marketing is still there whether we're consciously aware or not.

I can honestly say that most marketing I experience is product placement or things I choose to watch.

I don’t have social media and have YouTube premium which eliminates ads.

You guys are worse for my GAS

 

[FuzzyAce]

You guys are worse for my GAS

We're like the Borg.