James Freeman
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Amp in the Room !
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Boudoir Guitar
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Lamp in the front window; broken lamp in the room. Origin of edge of breakup?
gearJunkie
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Boudoir Guitar
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"Fra-gee-lay"Love that movie.
I looked so much like Messy Marvin as a kid that, when I moved from California to the east coast in 3rd grade a kid said "You look just like Messy Marvin" and, already being a raging asshole, I replied with "I AM Messy Marvin -- I just moved here from CA, right?" and he believed me. For YEARS.
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Resuming hundreds of videos and endless discussions with two pictures:
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No explanations needed for the rational mind
But the saga will never end, for good or for bad
JC's face says it all
Frodebro
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The irony here is that people have been chasing certain sounds that they heard on records for decades, and modeling makes it possible because the entire signal chain comes into play.
Piing
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Exactly. And when they get a modeler they want to be "purist" and they go DRV>AMP>CAB ignoring that at the studio they use a lot of surgical EQ post-processing, and they complain that it sounds too harsh (or "digital", whatever that means
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Frodebro
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Exactly. And when they get a modeler they want to be "purist" (DRV>AMP>CAB) ignoring that at the studio they use a lot of surgical EQ post-processing, and they complain that it sounds too harsh (or "digital", whatever that means
They use microphones, too. And compression or limiters. All available in a modeler, which is the missing piece of the puzzle if you want to nail a specific recorded tone.
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Can we not take counsel together as we once did?
laxu
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If anything, using real mics on a real cab I usually find that to make it sound more like what I hear in the room, I add a bit of compression and EQ. And even those aren't neutral things as e.g different compressors and EQs can add some flavor. It gets into all those things that add something but you won't notice until you remove them.
You can always go the Jason Sadites route and just have a compressor and EQ at the end of the signal chain on a modeler.
The issue for a lot of people is likely that their studio monitors might not be that great, and they are used to a guitar cab blasting at their knees at twice the volume.
HomespunEffects
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I don’t care about it sounding like an amp in the room. There. I said it. In public. I feel so free.
ChordInversion
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Agreed completely. "Amp in the room" misses the point, IMO. Get an amp and put it in your room if that's what you want. Just the physical size and shape of the amp make an exact 1:1 equivalence impossible on that front. But getting the sound of an amp that's been tracked? That's been done, and very, very well (IMO).
ChordInversion
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Same. Don't care, never will care. I want to get sounds that work for my music, available in the ways that I use them.
ragingplatypi
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The first time I recorded a real amp I spent a ton of time using 2 mics to capture what I was hearing in the room. In isolation it sounded great, but then in the mix it wasn’t working and didn’t do what I wanted it to do.
At the same time I was confused by everything I read about a ton of my favorite recordings just having a 57 in front of the speaker because that was not capturing the sound of my amp in the room.
My lightbulb moment was realizing that through recording I was converting my stereo into the amp in the room - or more precisely the speaker in the room (thanks @Digital Igloo ). From then on I always dialed in my tones to play nice with the speaker I’m using at any given moment.
At the same time I was confused by everything I read about a ton of my favorite recordings just having a 57 in front of the speaker because that was not capturing the sound of my amp in the room.
My lightbulb moment was realizing that through recording I was converting my stereo into the amp in the room - or more precisely the speaker in the room (thanks @Digital Igloo ). From then on I always dialed in my tones to play nice with the speaker I’m using at any given moment.
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I don’t get why people have a hard time understanding why some people go for it.
It is a different sound…miced cabinet through fullrange speakers…versus the cabinet.
Anyone that thinks that’s the same…I don’t know what to say.
There’s plenty of other areas where w all make different choices…
That said….no recording can be “amp in the room”….obviously.
Why I “want it”…it simply blends better with a non silent stage sound. Drums are more midrangy on stage then at foh for example. Same for bass amps & acoustic instruments. It’s all about context…if I had to play against backing tracks….id forget about it…cause the backing track is all “miced” sounds also.
That said..tbh…in my mancave on my own..I also prefer it when I’m just fiddling. And genelecs 8040 ain’t shabby monitors imho
Yeah I don’t get it either. A lot of people own amps and cabs and actually play in front of them. This isn’t a mystery.
KingsXJJ
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Then do that. Others just might be doing something else. It’s all valid just add context and you have an answer IMO.Yeah I don’t get it either. A lot of people own amps and cabs and actually play in front of them. This isn’t a mystery.
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I’m not advocating for anything.
I also don’t use studio monitors or "FRFR" and wonder why it’s not the same as A-I-T-R. (Which should really just be Cab-In-The-Room)
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DON'T MAKE US GO BACK TO THE OLD DAYS!
