A lot of people will disagree with my hardware modeler ranking

Mongillo19 said:
I imagine you have to readjust presets to account for your venue about the same as what you have to adjust after an update?
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I adjust the presence and volume knob on my amp powering the Celestion cabs. Or the level and cut knob on the FR12. That's it. I never touch the presets themselves at a gig.
 
dean701 said:
This isnt just a BMT thing though and I know Cliff is determined to make everything as close as possible to the real amps.
New preamp, cathode follower and power amp algorithms are not just BMT related.
I know how you all feel and that's fine. The main issue in my post was that blocks are not updated automatically, so out of your 1024 presets you can have tons with updated blocks (manually performed) and tons that arent...and yes, my unit is booked full of both presets and IRs.
Maybe Cliff will slow down with the updates..maybe not..its up to him but the past 6 months has been one of his more active periods.
Regardless, bring on the hate.
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Hate? Damn bro….you got that outta what I wrote? You do you mang…….
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no worries. I knew I would get slammed by certain folks.
In a thread where we're comparing modeler rankings, I was just throwing the versioning topic in the mix. FAS work harder than most and in so doing affect people's presets similarly. Conversely you could argue that other vendors don't even bother to improve/update their systems at all. No preset re-management needed but also no improvements either.
 
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dean701 said:
no worries. I knew I would get slammed by certain folks.
In a thread where we're comparing modeler rankings, I was just throwing the versioning topic in the mix. FAS work harder than most and in so doing affect people's presets similarly. Conversely you could argue that other vendors don't even bother to improve/update their systems at all. No preset re-management needed but also no improvements either.
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Within the context of this threads original topic, I completely agree with all of the statements you just made.

There are many people here that insist on arguing the point that because THEY don't think a particular feature is important, that it is crazy that ANYONE would think it IS.

This is the core of my argument about the validity of the review (for those that can still remember that this is what the thread was about in the first place). The reviewers stated that this set of digital amps were "the best" without stating what they were "the best" at doing.

It isn't like reviewing things is a NEW science guys.

As an example of a good review site: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-features/smart-internet-streaming

Notice how a single TV didn't rate "best" for every situation? Neither does any digital amp pedal.

It's stupid to assume that just because one of us doesn't think something is important, that it shouldn't be considered in an assessment of a device.

Earlier, someone pointed out how many Kemper users (like me) dismiss the fact that the Kemper doesn't capture as well as other devices. They are also incorrect. To some people, this may well be the most important feature as they have a room full of vintage amps they wish to capture.

Equally as daft is the idea that just because a few of you have grown used to tone changes every firmware update, that the rest of the digital amp playing world must be OK with it as well. Your reasoning is equally daft. You think that someone that has many different patches that they have worked to perfect is going to want to try to get all their tones back to where they were (assuming that there is some possible way to figure out exactly how they sounded before they changed in the first place)?

The other VERY relevant topic brought up in this quote above is how long the OEM actually continues to provide updates and new features. Sure, some old tube amp player (like me) is going to say "I never had to update my JCM800 even once!". Again, just because ONE person thinks this is OK, doesn't mean it isn't a very valid metric to consider when determining what "the best" is.

And for the people that continue to insist that "all you need is 3 buttons" because they can find an example of someone doing it.... again, daft. To believe that because SOMEONE likes it, doesn't mean is it going to be OK for everyone. If you play live with a decent variety of sounds every night, then you AREN'T going to be OK with 3 buttons playing live. FWIW, I predominantly gig with 3 banks of 5 presets. I know people that program their pedal having a single bank for each song and have a coordinated MIDI driver doing the changes. Personally, that is WAY more work than I want to do, but then who am I to argue. These guys make a damn fine living doing this stuff.

Anyway, I think it is pretty myopic to believe that there is a single device that is "Best" in every situation. I know that there is a great tendency for people to defend whatever they currently have, I just think it gets silly the contorted logic people will use to justify why THEIR preference and use model should be EVERYONES.... or else the other people are just "babies".

Seriously?
 
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