A lot of people will disagree with my hardware modeler ranking

I’m not going to say you’re wrong, but you are making big generalizations. I’ve done plenty 3 button device rigs. Because some people just need clean, dirt, lead. But they want a device that’s tiny AF.

The one guy I did a GT Core rig for is running it into the return of an old solid state head. But we’re redoing his board (basically the bigger nano size) to be his Core, Boss wireless, and a SD PS170. His entire rig (sans cabinet) will fit on a tiny board.

I was that clean/crunch/lead guy when I was in a cover band in my younger days, and that was all I needed. Could I have gotten a bit more mileage out of having a slew of effects? Sure, but I discovered early on that they weren't absolutely necessary. There were plenty of times where I would play an entire set on the crunch channel, just working the guitar volume to clean it up.

Even now, with an FM9, I keep things as simple as possible with my band.
 
some guitarists can do a whole gig with just guitar and amp…others have a warehouse full of gear with complex switching. Nice to have gear that can handle both.

For Kemper when I was happy with the solo tone I started recording tracks and found I was completely buried in the mix. All my favorite MBritt stuff was kinda useless without significant tweaking. That was beginning of the end for me.
 
Chalk me up as one of those idiots that thinks Kemper is still the best. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don’t know if it wins on the graphs but it sounds and feels amazing to me compared to the rest. Its biggest advantage aside from that is the sheer amount of top quality profiles available for it.

Tone X has mostly god awful captures of nam, pods and other modellers, QC is overwhelmingly DI captures that need an IR which defeats the point completely IMO.

Also after using most of them, parallel amps suck for the most part and I reckon 99% of use cases is a couple of pedals up front, amp in the middle and delay and reverb in the end, you don’t really need fancy routing.
 
Wow, you're like a walking, talking billboard with your bad luck with Fractal.....sorry to hear about that!

I started with Fractal in 2011 with the Axe-Fx II, and moved on to the Axe-Fx III when it came out.......my experience is 180 degrees from yours....never had anything but perfect performance out of the hardware and software.

Luckily, experiences like yours seem to be in the minority of owners, as the majority seems to be positive. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a Fractal device to anyone. That being said......enjoy your QC! View attachment 27381
Hmm a Billboard? :idk
I could lie, but why would I do that... these were some of my problems with the unit I had.
I had a Line6 Vetta, and after 6 months something broke ( a chip ) and wait for it... I had to wait 1 year to have it fixed. That was a big problem, as I was told that, yeah.. that part is coming, something came up, no info for months etc.

I really hope that your Axe Fx III will be in good shape for many years to come! And that everyone`s unit is good, nevermind what unit you guys have, I hope it holds up in tiptop shape!

But I do see some folks say that the QC is a bad product.. for me it`s just right, I love the sounds I get, and it`s easy to use. And if something was to go wrong, I know I can get it fixed, if it`s not something I did wrong, like brake something.
 
The current Helix Core modeling engine is from November 2022. It was further improved in November 2023. There will be further tweaks to the underlying engine this fall. Anyone implying Helix's engine is from 2015 hasn't been paying attention.
If I read this correctly then the core modelling engine updates in November were not included in 3.7, but the 3.8/4.0 update this fall will include them and more refinements?

Also, while checking the dates for this I stumbled across the Helix Timeline. This really is an excellent testament to how much work and support has gone into Helix as a product.
 
There was a time when guitarists of very high standing performed entire shows plugged straight into a single channel amp...
Its Been A Long Time Waiting GIF
 
Chalk me up as one of those idiots that thinks Kemper is still the best. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don’t know if it wins on the graphs but it sounds and feels amazing to me compared to the rest. Its biggest advantage aside from that is the sheer amount of top quality profiles available for it.

Tone X has mostly god awful captures of nam, pods and other modellers, QC is overwhelmingly DI captures that need an IR which defeats the point completely IMO.

Also after using most of them, parallel amps suck for the most part and I reckon 99% of use cases is a couple of pedals up front, amp in the middle and delay and reverb in the end, you don’t really need fancy routing.
Apart from the first bit, I genuinely agree with most of what you're saying.

ToneX quality is very poor. NAM is quite poor as well. Capture quality I mean; not the tech.

But when you're rolling your own, I don't think you really need to care about that. And anyone using these products definitely should be rolling their own IMHO - otherwise I literally don't see the point in them using capture tech at all. Because it isn't any more accurate or flexible than using a proper algorithmically modelled version of an amp.

Unless you're capturing your own amp, there's simply no advantage in my opinion.

DI captures are more useful than full-rig captures I think. A lot more flexibility when you pair it with an IR, and if you capture your amp with it connected to a real cab, you get the correct impedance loading as part of your capture too.

100% agreed that for most people, parallel signal paths and W/D/W type rigs and stereo and all the rest of it... nobody wants it nor cares about it. Which is exactly why the big debate about workflow is so silly IMHO.

The base experience of plugging in your guitar, creating a chain of effects, then an amp and cab, then some post effects, and routing it out to a monitor wedge or front of house, as well as a on-stage amp for monitoring that way.... they're all basically the same. Very very little difference.


And to be frank... a lot of people invent problems and go looking for solutions, instead of just focusing on playing their guitar.

My live rig isn't and hasn't ever been a "modelled" rig. The closest I've come is using Helix for effects only. I use an amp, and I use some pedals. I have a fancy switcher, but use about 2% of its functionality. The reason is, playing guitar is just so much more enjoyable when you're not thinking about the gear.

At the same time, I'm a gear junkie. Always have been!!
 
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The presets I use with my band all center around the same basic amp and cab for the sake of consistency. Things start to get freaky in a hurry if you're changing everything up for each song.
IN YOUR BAND....

I never said that there wasn't a place for a small device, only that "serious" guitarist (meant to say higher end local acts and touring) wouldn't use one.

Everyone knows that you can't get a Fender Blackface clean out of a Mesa Triple Rectifier. And good luck playing Metallica on a Blues Junior. If you play covers, or if your band has a broad variety of types of songs it plays, then it will be a compromise to have a single amp sound.

My whole point has consistently been that there isn't a "best pedal out there" for every guitar player, because different people do different things with their rig.
 
some guitarists can do a whole gig with just guitar and amp…others have a warehouse full of gear with complex switching. Nice to have gear that can handle both.

For Kemper when I was happy with the solo tone I started recording tracks and found I was completely buried in the mix. All my favorite MBritt stuff was kinda useless without significant tweaking. That was beginning of the end for me.
Agree.

I have no issues being burried in the mix in my band using my Kemper (either live or in our recordings). Of course, different people (like yourself) have had different experiences.

What did you end up getting?
 
IN YOUR BAND....

I never said that there wasn't a place for a small device, only that "serious" guitarist (meant to say higher end local acts and touring) wouldn't use one.

Everyone knows that you can't get a Fender Blackface clean out of a Mesa Triple Rectifier. And good luck playing Metallica on a Blues Junior. If you play covers, or if your band has a broad variety of types of songs it plays, then it will be a compromise to have a single amp sound.

My whole point has consistently been that there isn't a "best pedal out there" for every guitar player, because different people do different things with their rig.

I had to learn new songs regularly in my band (it was a cover band that worked literally every weekend with a house gig). That was time consuming enough without having to create new sounds to go with it. And the more complex you make things, the more you open yourself up for issues.

Now for somebody that is only gigging one weekend a month or so, there's plenty of time to muck about with the minor details and get everything sorted out. But in my band, we didn't rehearse-we were already playing onstage three nights every week together, so it was a very tight group. We would agree on new songs to add for the next weekend on Saturday nights, learn them at home on our own time, then run through them a couple of times onstage early on Thursday nights (when it wasn't as busy) to make sure we were all on the same page with the arrangements.

Adding new sounds for the new songs would require final tweaking with the band to get things right, and there just wasn't the time to mess with that stuff. And not once did anybody ever comment on how we didn't sound just like the record.
 
If I read this correctly then the core modelling engine updates in November were not included in 3.7, but the 3.8/4.0 update this fall will include them and more refinements?

Also, while checking the dates for this I stumbled across the Helix Timeline. This really is an excellent testament to how much work and support has gone into Helix as a product.
I'm not suggesting that the improvements to Helix Core in 3.80 will be massive, nor that we'll even specify what's changing/improving. Only that the engine has continued to be refined over time—sometimes notably—so anyone claiming we're running 9-year-old tech is spouting nonsense. There's some trickery afoot with how we improve things without affecting people's presets and we'd rather wave our hands with a "nothing to see here." The next time around we may just say screw it, let's make any improvements obvious.

Similarly, many have mistakenly claimed BOSS never improved their modeling until AIRD because everything before was called "COSM."
 
The next time around we may just say screw it, let's make any improvements obvious.
Fine by me. In regards to presets, a major overhaul every two-three years is a lot more manageable than every two-three months IMO.

Not to mention that it’d breath new life into the product family from a marketing standpoint and help put to rest the narrative that the Helix is past its lifecycle.
 
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