Why can’t Mesa…

[laxu]

The ultimate 4-channel, 2-GEQ Mark VII of my dreams isn't going to happen, but man it would be cool.

Ch1: Clean, Fat, IIB
Ch2: Fat, IIB, Crunch
Ch3: Crunch, IIC+, IV
Ch4: IIC+, IV, VII

The Mark series would be the perfect candidate for digital control.

• 7-position rotary switch to select the voicing.
• One row of knobs.
• Graphic EQ. Can be set as per-preset. Separate option to save a global graphic EQ which can be used instead of per-preset option.
• LED rings/sliders for saved value.
• 4 presets recallable from the front panel via buttons. An excessive amount over MIDI.

 

[Life Eats Life]

I thought all the stock IRs sounded really bad. I can't seem to get loading my own IRs to work on it

You know what?
Mesa should truely capitalize with the space the Junk Clone IR occupies and install YouTube TV.
Mesa can send you helpful video’s of how to dial the amplifiers in.
Or you can surf YouTube for inspiration etc…
staring at the back of the amp.
Dude!!!, you could watch porn at a gig!!!!
F’n super dope!!!
.

 

[Life Eats Life]

Hey JiveTurkey, what do you think IR’s actually are?
No Google!!!
Off the top of your head.

Me?
A digital cap.
A set EQ curvature on the back end of your sound.

Ultimately a “caveman” version of AI.
Oh yeah, the droids are coming for your signal chain…

 

[paisleywookiee]

Hey JiveTurkey, what do you think IR’s actually are?
No Google!!!
Off the top of your head.

Me?
A digital cap.
A set EQ curvature on the back end of your sound.

Ultimately a “caveman” version of AI.
Oh yeah, the droids are coming for your signal chain…

 

[JiveTurkey]

Hey JiveTurkey, what do you think IR’s actually are?
No Google!!!
Off the top of your head.

Me?
A digital cap.
A set EQ curvature on the back end of your sound.

Ultimately a “caveman” version of AI.
Oh yeah, the droids are coming for your signal chain…

The Droids Have Already Won OutTM

 

[Tanax]

The Mark series would be the perfect candidate for digital control.

• 7-position rotary switch to select the voicing.
• One row of knobs.
• Graphic EQ. Can be set as per-preset. Separate option to save a global graphic EQ which can be used instead of per-preset option.
• LED rings/sliders for saved value.
• 4 presets recallable from the front panel via buttons. An excessive amount over MIDI.

I agree, more amps should go that route. The Diezel VHX is almost a perfect example of it. I just dislike that huge ass screen and that there's no LED indicators on the knobs.

 

[laxu]

I agree, more amps should go that route. The Diezel VHX is almost a perfect example of it. I just dislike that huge ass screen and that there's no LED indicators on the knobs.

Agreed. The VHX is a weird design because you are trying to see the screen while the knob layout is pretty terrible for comfortably adjusting it.

A Hook Wizard style motorized pot system would also work for this, those knobs flip fast!

 

[Life Eats Life]

Dude,that movie… too much to type.
From the “Ajax” lady to Cheech fervently warning Chong:

“You’ve just ate the most acid I’ve ever seen anybody eat man”..

Chong: (in a completely coshure with it response)

“Oh really”..

The “For real Diamonds?” scene…

I lived and died by that movie man.

 

[Life Eats Life]

WHY CAN’T MESA.. sound like Gibson?

 

[spawnofthesith]

WHY CAN’T MESA.. sound like Gibson?

Just you wait

 

[Orvillain]

Agreed. The VHX is a weird design because you are trying to see the screen while the knob layout is pretty terrible for comfortably adjusting it.

A Hook Wizard style motorized pot system would also work for this, those knobs flip fast!

I've puzzled over the VHX for a while. In theory... all the Diezel preamps in one box..... but in practice..... bullshit endless rotary encoders that have obvious stepping noises when you move them.... a screen that looks about as comprehensible as ... a really incomprehensible thing.... loads of built in effects that for my use case are completely meaningless..... and on the whole, a naff price and a naff user experience.

I honestly think they should've just copied the JVM in terms of workflow. 4 channels... 3 channels each mode.. press a button to toggle each mode.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I've puzzled over the VHX for a while. In theory... all the Diezel preamps in one box..... but in practice..... bullshit endless rotary encoders that have obvious stepping noises when you move them.... a screen that looks about as comprehensible as ... a really incomprehensible thing.... loads of built in effects that for my use case are completely meaningless..... and on the whole, a naff price and a naff user experience.

I honestly think they should've just copied the JVM in terms of workflow. 4 channels... 3 channels each mode.. press a button to toggle each mode.

The VHX for some reason sounds like shit. Nothing like how I remember a VH4 sounding.

 

[EOengineer]

All this talk just makes me want an updated Triaxis all the more. Especially if they could add in some of the pull functions on the circuits. That would be god tier stuff from Mesa. That preamp was lightyears ahead of its time.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

I’m not an amp designer but I get the impression that the switches wouldn’t necessarily be easy to make footswitchable with how they affect the amp.

Use the limitations to your advantage, VHX is an amp for people who can’t make up their mind.

 

[spawnofthesith]

I’m not amp designer but I get the impression that the switches wouldn’t necessarily be easy to make footswitchable with how they affect the amp.

Use the limitations to your advantage, VHX is an amp for people who can’t make up their mind.

Yeah I think the bigger problem with why mesa is resistant to FS modes is because in quite a lot of cases it simply wouldn't sound that great to switch modes and not change the settings

Some of them? Yeah, but also not so for a lot of others. Some of the changes are too dramatic for that imo. It's not like a JVM where footswitching channel modes is mostly just adding more gain...

Of course then getting into the whole revamping Triaxis tech and midi encoder conversation which would start to make that make more sense

 

[Deadpan]

I thought all the stock IRs sounded really bad. I can't seem to get loading my own IRs to work on it

Gonna dig into this soon.

 

[Tanax]

Agreed. The VHX is a weird design because you are trying to see the screen while the knob layout is pretty terrible for comfortably adjusting it.

A Hook Wizard style motorized pot system would also work for this, those knobs flip fast!

Yeah that's also another route. I guess the only worry I have is that those motors might fail. I trust a digital solution more than a moving-part analog system. But it would still be better than the non-preset option that is currently what Mesa does (and most amp brands).

 

[Deadpan]

I thought all the stock IRs sounded really bad. I can't seem to get loading my own IRs to work on it

I moved one of the IRs out of its folder to the storage area and pasted one of mine in that was 48k and it loaded fine. You can only have one IR in the 8 slot folders at a time or it will not read the slot.

 

[la szum]

I told our rep that they should lower the price of their amps, and take the Cabclone shit out. It doesn’t sound that great, and it’s flaky. He said he personally agrees, but it’s “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” with so many companies building it in these days.
I personally would rather have it as a separate device, particularly when companies like Suhr, Fryette, and St. Rock do a better job.

Truth! Mesa Cabclone is the Gibson Robot-Tuners of the Amp Realm.

 

[la szum]

I care about USB type, because I’d prefer not to have to have adapters for shit. USB-C has been out for ten years already.

Loads aren’t created equally. The closer to mirroring an actual speaker load, like the Suhr, the better. The Two Notes stuff isn’t anything like a real speaker cab.

This technology moves too quickly to have it stuck in an amp that you plan keeping awhile.

PW be lighting up this thread by dropping them knowledge bombs!