The mf’ing H90

[László]

Stuff is only subjective to a point. There’s plenty of gear that is just so much better it’s beyond preference.

That is illogical, Captain. 'Better' isn't a state of being, it always involves a value judgment. Value judgments are entirely subjective. Therefore, 'better' is always subjective.

Here's an illustration: Joe makes the assumption that a studio monitor with lower intermodulation distortion is better than a studio monitor with greater intermodulation distortion. So he decides the model with less distortion is a 'better' monitor, and buys it.

The next week, the manufacturer introduces a monitor with even lower measured distortion.

The first monitor's state of being hasn't changed at all. None of its qualities is any different.

However, for Joe his new 'better' monitor is no longer 'better'.

Clearly, 'better' is not a quality of the object. It's a choice made by Joe about qualities he considers important, i.e., that he prefers.

Bill might prefer a pink monitor to match his favorite socks. A monitor that isn't pink is not better as far as he's concerned.

Chuck may prefer a monitor with a tweeter that has wider dispersion than Joe's. For him, that's a better monitor.

In each case, certain factors are given different weight in deciding what's better. Giving weight to something is a matter of choice - preference. It involves one or more relative decisions.

Preference is entirely subjective.

Choice and preference are factored into every gear decision for anything used to make music. 'Better beyond preference' is an artificial construct assuming that everyone values the same exact things for every purpose. That never happens.

The question is always, "Better for what purposes and whose preferences?"

 

[Whizzinby]

The shimmer presets on here are soooo good. I kind of forget to screw with those because of my generally repulsive attitude towards shimmer. But, they really have some great anti-shimmers. Hells Gate and Demons Call are actually quite lovely despite the name.

One gripe I have with the tablet editor is when selecting an algo type it doesn’t undo the display of the other algo you were scrolling. So if you switch to add a delay algo, it will still show the reverb presets with the delay presets until you remember to unselect the reverb preset. Which can be confusing because the preset names are all named in ways (generally speaking) that don’t give away what algo it’s using. Hells Eternal Womb??That could be reverb, delay, drive, who knows.

 

[Eagle]

That is illogical, Captain. 'Better' isn't a state of being, it always involves a value judgment. Value judgments are entirely subjective. Therefore, 'better' is always subjective.

Here's an illustration: Joe makes the assumption that a studio monitor with lower intermodulation distortion is better than a studio monitor with greater intermodulation distortion. So he decides the model with less distortion is a 'better' monitor, and buys it.

The next week, the manufacturer introduces a monitor with even lower measured distortion.

The first monitor's state of being hasn't changed at all. None of its qualities is any different.

However, for Joe his new 'better' monitor is no longer 'better'.

Clearly, 'better' is not a quality of the object. It's a choice made by Joe about qualities he considers important, i.e., that he prefers.

Bill might prefer a pink monitor to match his favorite socks. A monitor that isn't pink is not better as far as he's concerned.

Preference is entirely subjective.

Choice and preference are factored into every gear decision for anything used to make music. 'Better beyond preference' is an artificial construct assuming that everyone values the same exact things for every purpose. That never happens.

The question is always, "Better for what purposes and whose preferences?"

Strongly disagree. There is a very obvious hierarchy that blurs as you get up to the top . If you decide you need something deliberately at bit crap to fill a hole in a recording that doesn’t stop it being crap. I can go in to huge detail about what exactly makes one musical instrument objectively better than another but not in this thread.

 

[László]

Strongly disagree.

Creating a hierarchy necessarily involves choice. You just proved my point.

This is, however, an interesting discussion (at least for me).

 

[Eagle]

Creating a hierarchy necessarily involves choice. You just proved my point.

This is, however, an interesting discussion (at least for me).

The point is nobody would disagree until it does become a matter opinion and that is high level stuff.

 

[Eagle]

Take the Sire Larry Carlton . It’s a pos but with Larry playing it it sounds good . But if he played something actually good ABY through the same rig the better guitar will still be obvious.

 

[Eagle]

Sustain, dead spots frequency range ,ergonomics. Are not a matter of opinion.

 

[paisleywookiee]

 

[ejecta]

That is illogical Captain. 'Better' isn't a state of being, it always involves a value judgment. Value judgments are entirely subjective. Therefore, 'better' is always subjective.

Well said yet again. It’s a tough hill to climb when discussing stuff with people who don’t get basic logic and the difference between objective and subjective. Good luck.

 

[Eagle]

Well said yet again. It’s a tough hill to climb when discussing stuff with people who don’t get basic logic and the difference between objective and subjective. Good luck.

Something isn’t subjective because you think it is.
Function can be measured and quantified.

 

[TJontheRoad]

Perception is 99% of the truth.

 

[Eagle]

Perception is 99% of the truth.

Meaningless.

 

[TJontheRoad]

Meaningless.

If that’s how you perceive it

 

[ejecta]

Something isn’t subjective because you think it is.
Function can be measured and quantified.

No shit. I didn’t say otherwise.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Something isn’t subjective because you think it is.
Function can be measured and quantified.

Function can be measured but your opinion of the results is an opinion right?

 

[KingsXJJ]

This refusal to accept or admit being wrong reminds me of someone.

It’s a severe character defect but you can be assured you’ll be told that’s wrong.

 

[Eagle]

Function can be measured but your opinion of the results is an opinion right?

Is better function better? Is better playability better? Is no dead spots better? These things are not opinion.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Is better function better? Is better playability better? Is no dead spots better? These things are not opinion.

I think you can understand what I mean. Let’s take scale length. What’s the best scale length for E standard? The answer is: that’s an opinion!

 

[paisleywookiee]

I think you can understand what I mean. Let’s take scale length. What’s the best scale length for E standard? The answer is: that’s an opinion!

I'm sure Eagle will argue why that's not actually the case. 3 more pages.

 

[Eagle]

I think you can understand what I mean. Let’s take scale length. What’s the best scale length for E standard? The answer is: that’s an opinion!

No it how big is your hand. Or what size is the average hand. Combine that with what tension will that be. What is the optimal for the majority of people. Data and ergonomics.