The mf’ing H90

[Orvillain]

But serious post this time - I genuinely can't quite fathom how anyone is using a H9 or H90 in front of a high-gain sound. In terms of noise floor, they're easily one of the worst offenders for DAC white noise hiss, and I was absolutely shocked when I heard it myself. I was really hoping the H90 would improve on this aspect over the H9 and Factor pedals, but it didn't. They're all more or less the same - borderline ruinous to the sum-total tone for me.

I'd honestly rather use a Behringer funded TC Electronics Plethora. A muuuuucccchhhhh better unit both in terms of raw audio quality, and then this is where the subjective comes in, but it is also easier to use. The pitch effects are shit though; objectively worse than anything Eventide or Fractal have done.

The H90 allows 4-cable-method, but I really don't understand why you'd even bother. Putting your signal through that thing even once is treasonous, twice is just extremely unneighbourly.

 

[Orvillain]

Still digging it. Very fun. Most of the patches you space out and just come up with little quirky ideas.

That does sound sick tho!

 

[Orvillain]

Warm Embrace preset is pretty cool with some grit. Having fun screwing around with that.

And that sounds lovely too!

 

[Mikael Dez]

No it how big is your hand. Or what size is the average hand. Combine that with what tension will that be. What is the optimal for the majority of people. Data and ergonomics.

It’s funny to me that you are proving all of our point almost every time you try and defend yours. But keep thinking that your opinion is fact I guess

 

[ᛗᛜᛜᚺDᛜᎶ Ꮤᛨᚳᚴ]

On Facebook today, I replied to an offer from Sweetwater for an H90 giveaway they are doing. It is NOT available on their webpage from what I could see, you can only see it through FB best I can tell. For those of you with a FB account and any interest in this unit, you might want to look into it!

 

[Mikael Dez]

Wombs are better at growing babies than anuses.

I thought wombs were just fancy front anuses.

 

[Orvillain]

I thought wombs were just fancy front anuses.

No. They have a function, as do anuses. Their functions are different, and thus each one can be easily placed into a hierarchy based on specific analysis of their suitability to a particular function. There you go. A natural source for hierarchy that doesn't involve choice or social pressure.

This navel gazing stuff sure is stinky!!!!

 

[Eagle]

It’s funny to me that you are proving all of our point almost every time you try and defend yours. But keep thinking that your opinion is fact I guess

Bs.

 

[banned]

Take the Sire Larry Carlton . It’s a pos but with Larry playing it it sounds good . But if he played something actually good ABY through the same rig the better guitar will still be obvious.

I don't think you'll ever get to the point of objectively evaluating an instrument for what it is - you're too tied up with -

'that guitar is $5000 so it's good....this is $500 so it's (automatically) crap'.

And if anyone brings up a contrary point, you just fall back on -

'but your senses just aren't refined enough to tell the difference'.

Anyone that makes a blanket statement like 'Sire Larry Carlton is crap' is just full of it. Total sheep mentality - $$$$$ = good; $$$ = bad.

I'm sure you're a luxury product advertiser's marketing dream - you'd lap all of it up.

 

[Eagle]

I don't think you'll ever get to the point of objectively evaluating an instrument for what it is - you're too tied up with -

'that guitar is $5000 so it's good....this is $500 so it's (automatically) crap'.

And if anyone brings up a contrary point, you just fall back on -

'but your senses just aren't refined enough to tell the difference'.

Anyone that makes a blanket statement like 'Sire Larry Carlton is crap' is just full of it. Total sheep mentality - $$$$$ = good; $$$ = bad.

I'm sure you're a luxury product advertiser's marketing dream - you'd lap all of it up.

I am a tech , I have dismantled the S7 . I posted here about the construction of it . I have seen a lot of them and played hundreds of vintage 335s including Larry’s favourite. So I know the fucking difference.

 

[Eagle]

Here is a few of the pictures;

A small snapshot of typical fit and finish issues before you even get to the core manufacturing brief. It IS a POS . I don’t care what it costs I’m looking at it in disassembled detail. There are plenty of examples of expensive shit too .

 

[paisleywookiee]

Eagle is posting about Sire again. Take a drink!

 

[Spaced Out Ace]

But serious post this time - I genuinely can't quite fathom how anyone is using a H9 or H90 in front of a high-gain sound. In terms of noise floor, they're easily one of the worst offenders for DAC white noise hiss, and I was absolutely shocked when I heard it myself. I was really hoping the H90 would improve on this aspect over the H9 and Factor pedals, but it didn't. They're all more or less the same - borderline ruinous to the sum-total tone for me.

I'd honestly rather use a Behringer funded TC Electronics Plethora. A muuuuucccchhhhh better unit both in terms of raw audio quality, and then this is where the subjective comes in, but it is also easier to use. The pitch effects are shit though; objectively worse than anything Eventide or Fractal have done.

The H90 allows 4-cable-method, but I really don't understand why you'd even bother. Putting your signal through that thing even once is treasonous, twice is just extremely unneighbourly.

Yeesh, $900 bucks, two algorithms (which may or may not have more than one effect you want) and it's extremely noisy? I hope people who run the H90 in 4 cable method are thrown in jail for unquestionably bad rig management. Straight to jail.

 

[Spaced Out Ace]

Eagle is posting about Sire again. Take a drink!

He needs to take a lap. Work off some of this excess energy.

 

[Spaced Out Ace]

The DD500 is one of my favorite delays. I used one until recently but I got a Free The Tone Flight Time that I like better, I think that's the closest I've heard to an old rack delay.

I haven't tried the Plethora yet. I need to check one out.

Which old rack delay does the Flight Time sound similar to? Or just in that general area of 80s rack delays?

 

[Spaced Out Ace]

I play on tracks I compose professionally (though there are plenty of occasions when I hire a better player). I know a lot of players who use, and like, the H9 and H90.

We see them on Tim Pierce's and Pete Thorn's board, among others. I mention them because I sometimes watch their videos and am always amused when they use gear I like.

My son's used his on every project since he got one - he's played on, mixed and produced several records that went gold, and toured the US and Europe with one on his pedalboard.

I point this out mainly to slip in a dad-brag about him, of course.

Eagle's opinion about the H9 is as valid as anyone else's. It's interesting to hear what other people like, dislike, play through, etc., but it doesn't change my decision to have two of them on my pedalboard.

My choice is tempered by 34 years of sitting in front of studio monitors listening to crazy little details no one else cares about. But I'd love to hear what Eagle is using on his board. Might be some cool stuff!

We live. We read. We learn. It all helps, even when we disagree.

Incidentally, I used to argue about gear as passionately as anyone else. But then I realized none of it matters. What sounds right to a player is a very personal choice and you can't really make a mistake if your music makes you happy.

If your music also happens to make other people happy? Go party! That's a bonus! I've had the pleasure of listening to some very fine playing on this forum!

I might think a muff sounds like refried ass, which given the stuff I tend to go for in terms of what I play, it isn't a great option. That said, someone else might be into that for whatever reason (perhaps they play doom or whatever), where using something else like a distortion wouldn't be very fitting.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

Which old rack delay does the Flight Time sound similar to? Or just in that general area of 80s rack delays?

TC 2290. Which I owned before and this is dead-on accurate. Closer than TC's own 2290 pedal.

 

[Spaced Out Ace]

TC 2290. Which I owned before and this is dead-on accurate. Closer than TC's own 2290 pedal.

Probably more reliable, too.

Leon Todd's demo had a section where he used the Flight Time as a chorus, then played No More Tears. I love delays (they are a ton of fun for messing around and adding to solos), but I am always curious watching some delay demo videos if it'll sound similar or not when I get one due to the video likely being recorded in stereo, whereas I play in mono.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

Probably more reliable, too.

Leon Todd's demo had a section where he used the Flight Time as a chorus, then played No More Tears. I love delays (they are a ton of fun for messing around and adding to solos), but I am always curious watching some delay demo videos if it'll sound similar or not when I get one due to the video likely being recorded in stereo, whereas I play in mono.

The Flight Time is mono so no issues there. What you heard is what it sounds like.

 

[Spaced Out Ace]

The Flight Time is mono so no issues there. What you heard is what it sounds like.

You shitass. I was hoping you'd say it was in stereo, so I didn't end up buying it. Lol