Suhr new SL68 & SL67 MkII

[Blix]

Yep what GG says, loop and plexi circuit is a huge no go. A good reason to go wet/dry! :)

 

[nicolasrivera]

No loop, no thanks Seriously tho

I have a Friedman for that!

 

[laxu]

It's not like you can't build a Plexi sounding amp with mostly preamp gain and an fx loop. Plenty of examples from various brands. But it won't be a traditional Plexi in the way the Suhr SL series aims to be.

While a master volume adds convenience to this amp, the lack of an fx loop due to the design of the Suhr is still a minus.

All these mod switches eventually end up in a single position you like and then never get touched.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

If you want an FX loop, you want a different amp. And if you’re that determined to make it work, something like a Fryette Powerstation is the way to go. It’s such an honest representation of a plexi with attention to detail in the build and wiring. An FX loop simply doesn’t belong here IMO.

 

[nicolasrivera]

I learned from some one that posted in the other forum about FX loops in a Plexi with 4 inputs. He said to plug an FX into the 2 inputs you are using as bridge and you will have an FX loop and it Works. Its not a traditional FX loop but you can get beautiful delays and reverbs in you non Fx loop amp.

 

[cragginshred]

I have a Friedman for that!

So the Suhr is a paper weight?

 

[ejecta]

A local store is carrying Suhr stuff now and I work there to fill in at times and give lessons. May have to talk them into getting one.

 

[cragginshred]

If you want an FX loop, you want a different amp. And if you’re that determined to make it work, something like a Fryette Powerstation is the way to go. It’s such an honest representation of a plexi with attention to detail in the build and wiring. An FX loop simply doesn’t belong here IMO.

Been there done that. No thanks. Not to mention the reason behind no loop is that it sacrifices pure tone,....adding the power station that line of thought is loooong gone.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Ah, gotcha. I don't think you don't understand how plexis work then.

I do know how Plexis work. I don't think you realize that this amp didn't have Plexi in the name, therefore I didn't know it was a one to one thing.

The entire point of an effects loop is so you can route effects after distortion is generated in the amp. This means effects loops only work in amps where the distortion is generated by the preamp. An effects loop in a plexi would be pointless because there is no distortion developed in the preamp. In a plexi, all the distortion is developed in the phase inverter and power tubes, and you can't place an effects loop after the phase inverter or the power tubes. There is effectively zero difference between routing effects straight in the amp's input vs an effects loop if it had one.

Thanks chief, I've been playing for 35 years. I know what an effects loop does and does not do.

Perhaps next time lead with the question "did you know this is a traditional plexi design?"

No, I didn't. I do know other Plexi designs, like that from Friedman and Marshall have effects loops. I do know that the most traditional designs don't.

Just because I'm not familiar with a single amp line doesn't mean I'm an idiot.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Been there done that. No thanks. Not to mention the reason behind no loop is that it sacrifices pure tone,....adding the power station that line of thought is loooong gone.

well, IF you want FX then it’s a much better route than slamming a load of stuff through a distorting phase inverter. If you want a pure tone then you won’t want FX anywhere around the amp. Power station was designed for that exact purpose. I’m not arsed about Eddie Van Halen but it was pretty common to slave/DI amps in the same way

 

[nicolasrivera]

So the Suhr is a paper weight?

If I didn't care for a pure plexi tone.... The Friedman is a monster machine. I Modded the hell out of it to achieve different gains and feels, its a Friedman in its CORE. The clean channel is a beautiful Fender clean. That amp stated its life as a Runt 50.

 

[nicolasrivera]

 

[GreatGreen]

I do know how Plexis work. I don't think you realize that this amp didn't have Plexi in the name, therefore I didn't know it was a one to one thing.


Thanks chief, I've been playing for 35 years. I know what an effects loop does and does not do.

Perhaps next time lead with the question "did you know this is a traditional plexi design?"

No, I didn't. I do know other Plexi designs, like that from Friedman and Marshall have effects loops. I do know that the most traditional designs don't.

Just because I'm not familiar with a single amp line doesn't mean I'm an idiot.

So the amp does have it in the name. SL68. Super Lead 1968. It's a '68 Plexi. Other than literally slapping a Marshall logo on the front, there's nothing they could have done to make it more obvious that this is a classic plexi circuit.

Also the impetus really shouldn't be on me to ask someone who is already in the Suhr Plexi thread if they know the amp is a traditional plexi design, especially if they've been playing for 35 years, because they didn't recognize that this amp was designed to look and sound exactly like a classic 4-hole Marshall Plexi in literally every single way, down to the font, except for the logo, and that every single piece of advertising and media surrounding it constantly compares it with a vintage Marshall plexi.

About the Friedman and new mini Marshall design, if the Friedman has a working loop, then the amp isn't a plexi and doesn't work like one. Marketing might claim it sounds like a plexi, but it isn't a plexi. Is that important? Up to you. But if a loop functions correctly, that means the distortion is generated in the preamp, which means the amp isn't a plexi. As for Marshall putting a loop in their mini-plexi? It doesn't do anything. It was a stupid design decision. Plexi preamps don't generate distortion so routing effects in the front vs in that loop they added on their plexi makes no difference. Effects in that loop will still be distorted by the phase inverter and power section when they distort, so there's really no point in it being there.

And I didn't say you were an idiot. I don't think you are. I was just trying to be helpful by explaining why an effects loop is useless and pointless in a vintage amp that generates 100% of its distortion after the preamp.

 

[nicolasrivera]

New demo!

 

[ejecta]

 

[Life Eats Life]

If you want an FX loop, you want a different amp. And if you’re that determined to make it work, something like a Fryette Powerstation is the way to go. It’s such an honest representation of a plexi with attention to detail in the build and wiring. An FX loop simply doesn’t belong here IMO.

Sounds like a great spot for invention for a new builder dude.
The best is when people say you can’t or it isn’t.
What’s interesting is the amp has a killer master volume right?.. that’s not a damn Plexi either..
Well then since it ain’t a Plexi, put a damn loop in there for four f’n grand.

This reminds me of when you take your guitar to a guitar luthier/repair technician and they will only go so low on your action, they skimp ya
& leave you with Olympic hurdles for action man.
I like to get up under it so I need some room in my action,
so get off the higher then mighty action and the effects in a master volume Plexi’s.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

I do know how Plexis work. I don't think you realize that this amp didn't have Plexi in the name, therefore I didn't know it was a one to one thing.


Thanks chief, I've been playing for 35 years. I know what an effects loop does and does not do.

Perhaps next time lead with the question "did you know this is a traditional plexi design?"

No, I didn't. I do know other Plexi designs, like that from Friedman and Marshall have effects loops. I do know that the most traditional designs don't.

Just because I'm not familiar with a single amp line doesn't mean I'm an idiot.

Yet his Plexi logic is faulty since then the MV has no place (or worse with all gain from the power section) turning that amp down would give you a clean bedroom amp.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Yep what GG says, loop and plexi circuit is a huge no go. A good reason to go wet/dry! :)

But MV is ok…lol

 

[paisleywookiee]

I'd still rather buy something "unauthentic", like a Metro-Plex.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Beautiful PTP worksmanship!

Handwired…

This is ptp…