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[dk_ace]

I have a 60watt head I can play occasionally (noise constraints). I have an iso but a RL would be quieter. Good suggestion.

I was hoping to explore modeled preamps instead of spending many thousands to find my preferred amp.

Well, the best modelers cost thousands and you have a thousand reasons you don’t want to use them…

Just get an amp.

D

 

[Jarick]

Yeah it kinda sounds like you don’t want a modeler? Maybe look at a synergy system?

 

[dk_ace]

Yeah it kinda sounds like you don’t want a modeler? Maybe look at a synergy system?

Those are pretty wicked.

D

 

[GTR37]

Yeah it kinda sounds like you don’t want a modeler? Maybe look at a synergy system?

That’s what I thought too
Then you can have a Freidman , SLO , DZL and it’s controllable at low levels

Dave F also just mentioned he has a new ,most full featured 20 watt coming out at NAMM so I am thinking Soldano Astro type
amp

 

[FuzzyAce]

Maybe we should take a moment to discuss the conversion quality of you brain.

*your

 

[Stone]

Hey guys I use a FM9 and i don't compare it to anything
Its what works for me so......

 

[Byrdman]

Hey guys I use a FM9 and i don't compare it to anything
Its what works for me so......

That's too passive aggressive of a post and that's not allowed, you're banned

 

[pipelineaudio]

1. This talk about conversion quality is ridiculous and has to stop.

1000000 trillion percent. This is TRIVIALLY easy to test, and if there is an issue, the claimant can show it with a few minutes of work. The fact that they NEVER do, just like the Mic Preamp Troo Beliebers, shows just how bankrupt not only their claim is, but also their faith in the claim

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

[…] Just because most people can't prove it with sophisticated measurement, does not mean it isn't true. […]

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

[…] Memes are funny but they don't help make an argument.

 

[DrewJD82]

I use an FM9 with my band, and have an AxeFX 3 that largely stays in my cave. I have no problem navigating them from the front panel. But if it’s a deal breaker for you, that’s cool.

Sometimes I feel like being able to use the front panel of a Fractal product would score more brownie points than playing “Cliffs Of Dover” note for note. Maybe I need to start posting FM9 editing videos instead of guitar playing ones.

 

[Sascha Franck]

but I am certain you can hear the difference between different headphone outputs. Much of that is due to the quality of conversion.

No. From all I know, the kind of converters we're talking about are pretty cheap today, no need to degrade the quality here. It's likelier that the op-amps are the culprit here.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Many people throughout the ages have complained that the loop of their amp, or the loop of their MFX alters the sound.

Conversion quality is one of the factors that can be at play, although it may be less important the better conversion gets. But absolutely a decade ago it was a factor, and two decades ago it was an undeniable factor.

Discriminating ears can hear the difference between them. You can argue that for a guitar signal chain it doesn't matter, but in a MFX, it is absolutely 100% important when listening to headphone outputs for silent practice. There is still a noticeable difference in quality between headphone amps. Conversion is one of the factors involved and having an absolutely silent noise floor is needed for the illusion that you are not wearing headphones.

I am not set up to measure the audio quality of my headphone output, but I can tell the difference in quality between different units. Just because most people can't prove it with sophisticated measurement, does not mean it isn't true.

Someone complained about the quality of the VP4 in his signal chain. I suggested someone run ten generations of loopback through it to see what it does, vs same loopback through a patch cable. I agree in testing and measurement, just don't have the ability to do it.

Lots of words and yet no measurements.

I've got plenty, and so does anyone who has actually tested these claims rather than just talk about them

Analog to Digital Converters

TL;DR – Here is the cheap to the pretty penny. Including a 20 year old MOTU 2408 MKII! They are all so ridiculously close to each other! Please don’t let claims of converter quality kee…

pipelineaudio.net

 

[laxu]

Many people throughout the ages have complained that the loop of their amp, or the loop of their MFX alters the sound.

Conversion quality is one of the factors that can be at play, although it may be less important the better conversion gets. But absolutely a decade ago it was a factor, and two decades ago it was an undeniable factor.

Discriminating ears can hear the difference between them. You can argue that for a guitar signal chain it doesn't matter, but in a MFX, it is absolutely 100% important when listening to headphone outputs for silent practice. There is still a noticeable difference in quality between headphone amps. Conversion is one of the factors involved and having an absolutely silent noise floor is needed for the illusion that you are not wearing headphones.

I am not set up to measure the audio quality of my headphone output, but I can tell the difference in quality between different units. Just because most people can't prove it with sophisticated measurement, does not mean it isn't true.

Someone complained about the quality of the VP4 in his signal chain. I suggested someone run ten generations of loopback through it to see what it does, vs same loopback through a patch cable. I agree in testing and measurement, just don't have the ability to do it.

Conversion quality is the least of your concerns when different amps have different fx loop circuits with different send/return levels etc. You are going to find way more variation there than with converters.

My experience is that I don't have any issue with Helix or Fractal in this regard as long as the levels are set right on all devices. I have had amps where you can bypass the loop so it would be easy to hear audible differences. It always came down to levels, like just a few dB less through the loop and you start to think you have "tone suck".

 

[la szum]

This thread exists somewhere between a Horse being led to Water, and still refusing to drink,
and a Horse already dead, still being beat to death again and again and again.





Tell me I am wrong.


Go!

 

[JiveTurkey]

The QC levels are super quiet comparatively and it's got a bad noise floor.

 

[Sleezy E]

This thread exists somewhere between a Horse being led to Water, and still refusing to drink,
and a Horse already dead, still being beat to death again and again and again.





Tell me I am wrong.


Go!

 

[pipelineaudio]

People are arguing about things I've already decided on.

There you go.

For the reason based community, we care whether or not our beliefs are true and are just as thankful when someone disproves one of our beliefs as when they confirm them.

 

[Frodebro]

There you go.

For the reason based community, we care whether or not our beliefs are true and are just as thankful when someone disproves one of our beliefs as when they confirm them.

That's the rational versus emotional thing I mentioned earlier. Sometimes you just have to step back and let things run their course.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Again, more time was spent posting words than would have taken to prove your claim. Kind of tells its own story.

I'll help you. Here's some free measurement software that will help provide evidence either way. Should take you all of a few minutes to install and run some tests

REW room acoustics and audio device measurement and analysis software

REW is free software for room acoustic measurement, loudspeaker measurement and audio device measurement and analysis

www.roomeqwizard.com