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PTU !!
Strymon teasing new pedal
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Wazaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
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yeky83
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FYI modern converters oversample to run in the MHz range internally, and 48 kHz vs. 96 kHz just describes the designed running frequency. It doesn't really tell you anything about the audio quality.
And if you look in the Strymon Iridium manual for instance, the frequency response is listed as "20Hz to 20kHz." So it's not like the 96 kHz converters are getting you any extra frequency range, even if you believe in the ultrasonic frequency range hearing bs
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Helps with aliasing though right?And if you look in the Strymon Iridium manual for instance, the frequency response is listed as "20Hz to 20kHz." So it's not like the 96 kHz converters are getting you any extra frequency range, even if you believe in the ultrasonic frequency range hearing bs
yeky83
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Which aliasing? The converter's aliasing performance depends on its internal anti-aliasing and oversampling schemes, and the DSP's aliasing performance depends on its internal anti-aliasing and oversampling schemes. The 48kHz, 96kHz, etc. spec tells you neither.
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paisleywookiee
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Come to the dark side. We have cookies.I've never owned a Strymon pedal.
jellodog
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Well they'd better be using 96 kHz for oversampling internally, otherwise there's gonna be big trouble from this dawg when he finds out!
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too late, I already got a helix since being here.
paisleywookiee
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So? I have a Fractal, and Strymons, and still want an HX Effects. We’ve got no false dichotomies here. :)too late, I already got a helix since being here.
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paisleywookiee
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True. And If I ever learn how to play guitar, it’ll be even worse!Sir, you need help.
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Far as I'm aware, if you're running your converters at higher sample-rates, then your anti-aliasing filters can be higher, which reduces aliasing intermodulation distortion. But I'm no expert.
yeky83
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I mean, maybe given the same converter? But take two different products with who knows what converters inside, then looking at product sampling rate specs aren't going to tell you anything about aliasing performances.
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It'll tell me about how far the manufacturer could've potentially gone to reduce those kinds of artifacts. Whether they did or not, is another thing. But that takes some real world usage to ascertain anyway. It's just one of those classic 'hardware capabilities versus software cleverness' things.
There aren't any specs on a box that you can ever read enough of that you'll ever have a fully informed view of the product.
FWIW, I don't detect any aliasing issues with the Axe FX III.
Actually looking back through the thread, I'm not even sure what @jellodog was really getting at. @Jarick made a comment about usability, rather than sound quality or anything like that. His point was that Fractal has tons of parameters, and Strymon seem to make every effort to avoid that.
In my view, Fractal are every bit as good as Strymon but you really need to know what you're doing when faced with all of the control you have.
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Heh. Okay okay... I admit that I don't know what I was getting at either. And it's a good point @yeky83 was making that I have no real idea of what's going on inside that box! But I really want to believe!
I am both a Fractal and Strymon owner / customer BTW - I like and enjoy both companies; not trying to be controversial here.
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It wasn't a dig. I just had trouble following the thread. I get it now though. @paisleywookiee said he didn't think Line 6 nor Fractal were on the same level as Strymon. I agree and disagree with that opinion.Heh. Okay okay... I admit that I don't know what I was getting at either. And it's a good point @yeky83 was making that I have no real idea of what's going on inside that box! But I really want to believe!
Strymon has some fantastic algorithms and indeed on our last album most of my delay and reverb was Strymon based. I used the Helix for some oscillation effects, because I genuinely think the Strymon Timeline doesn't really do nice oscillations. The Volante was a bit better, but it couldn't match the character I was getting from the Adriatic Delay. In many other ways though, I would say I do prefer Strymon over Line6 effects. The Lin6 ones are serviceable, but not often inspirational.
Axe3-wise... I genuinely think it goes toe-to-toe with the Timeline, Volante, and BigSky, which are the pedals I'm most familiar with from Strymon.
The difference with the Axe3 is, you have to turn about 5 or 6 different parameters.. whereas on the BigSky it's very often just tweaking the decay and tone and mix parameter, and you get something epic. But I'm willing to do the extra leg work with the Axe3.
One more thing about Helix and Axe3... compared to a board full of digital pedals, each with their own AD/DA noise floor that gets amplified higher and higher down the chain.... the Helix and Axe3 sound much nicer in terms of the raw guitar tone and noise floor.
