Strat players. Floating or decked?

[FuzzyAce]

The angle doesn’t affect anything except the total spring equilibrium.

Which matters.

 

[Chocol8]

The angle doesn’t affect anything except the total spring equilibrium.

I have to disagree with that and it is physics. If you have just two springs, top and bottom to keep it simple, and all the strings are custom sized to have equal tension...

If you angle the claw, the spring that is more stretched at equilibrium has more tension than the shorter one. I f you apply more force to the top of the block than the bottom, there will be a resulting torque or twisting force. If that is not offset by a torque from unequal strings, it will be offset by the pivot points. It has to be offset by an equal torque somewhere.

 

[FuzzyAce]

@Eagle
It's funny, because you have brought up many times how the guitar is a system and everything matters to a point. But claw angle has no affect at all when springs are in tension?

 

[JiveTurkey]

@Eagle
It's funny, because you have brought up many times how the guitar is a system and everything matters to a point. But claw angle has no affect at all when springs are in tension?

Dave bought a USA Gibson so he has to expend that energy somehow

 

[Eagle]

That's just not true. I DID have it that way before on multiple guitars, my tuning improved significantly when I tried CV's method. Like he said in the video, and I said, it's his pitch plan + tension plan that creates a system that stays in tune and gives the desired results. Pretty simple.

And utterly defying physics. It’s just wrong.
It’s a total misunderstanding of reality. It would be the same as saying a red T shirt increases your ability to stay in tune and compiling video clips to say so .

 

[Eagle]

@Eagle
It's funny, because you have brought up many times how the guitar is a system and everything matters to a point. But claw angle has no affect at all when springs are in tension?

So explain how this affects the distance between the fulcrum and the witness point. This is the only thing that can cause a change in differential pitch.

 

[Eagle]

Which matters.

Of course it does but it only makes an overall difference.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Dave bought a USA Gibson

 

[SillyOctpuss]

And utterly defying physics. It’s just wrong.
It’s a total misunderstanding of reality. It would be the same as saying a red T shirt increases your ability to stay in tune and compiling video clips to say so .

FFS what nonsense. Everyone knows red T-shirts add gain and upper mid. Noob

 

[Sascha Franck]

Different claw angles obviously cause different spring vibrations. As far as tuning stability or whatever goes, there shouldn't be much (if any) differences.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Different claw angles obviously cause different spring vibrations. As far as tuning stability or whatever goes, there shouldn't be much (if any) differences.

Well I've tried both ways, the tilted angle claw works better for tuning stability in my case. Y'all do what you want to do.

 

[Chocol8]

Well I've tried both ways, the tilted angle claw works better for tuning stability in my case. Y'all do what you want to do.

That's perfectly reasonable to expect depending on your string gauges. The whole torque thing is real physics.

 

[Eagle]

Well I've tried both ways, the tilted angle claw works better for tuning stability in my case. Y'all do what you want to do.

Why? Because Carl uses balanced tension strings . Also what are the individual tensions on your strings and have you measured your springs to make sure they are all identical so that the angle is doing what you think it is? The physics falls in to info wars territory before you can say Carl.

 

[Eagle]

That's perfectly reasonable to expect depending on your string gauges. The whole torque thing is real physics.

See my last answer.

 

[Sascha Franck]

The whole torque thing is real physics.

Sure, but given that all these things are pretty solid, I can hardly believe it makes that much of a difference. I may try it one day, though (but then, I don't have any tuning issue on any guitar).

 

[FuzzyAce]

Why? Because Carl uses balanced tension strings . Also what are the individual tensions on your strings and have you measured your springs to make sure they are all identical so that the angle is doing what you think it is? The physics falls in to info wars territory before you can say Carl.

No offense Andy, but I trust my opinion on guitar tweaking more than yours. Fact.

 

[Eagle]

Anyone want a go on explaining the claw angle works but the trem arm on one end is ok and it should not be in the middle.

 

[Eagle]

No offense Andy, but I trust my opinion on guitar tweaking more than yours. Fact.

I get that you have a set up that works . It’s nothing to do with opinions . I’m only arguing the physics of what you think is happening.

 

[Eagle]

If you were here with your guitar I could categorically prove that the CV set up is BS.

 

[FuzzyAce]

I’m only arguing the physics of what you think is happening.

I know it's happening, nothing to think about.