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IMO, the best first modeler option period. Features per $ and tone per $ king.
I would argue that you only need the screen if you allow routing. A screen version with routing I would expect to be $1K ish (not unlike FM3).i guess this is what we all wanted in our minds.
It meets the "small and portable" checkbox, but misses the "inexpensive" one.
I think this is a great idea. As long as each FX slot can have any effect type in it and there are multiple variants of each type (ie reverb:hall, reverb
late, etc). Wouldn't mind saying some EFX are pre only and some are post only and the "capture" is in the middle.Then have a phone app for setting things up. Looks like your GUI could also do setup.
Sadly, this isn't what they came up with.
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I just wish all these companies would make the very best device they can make, price the resulting unit how they need to and then let it fly.
It’s an outdated business model in an era where marketing departments run the show. But man ..
Line 6 did a great job with the Stomp(s), even if they’re not exactly a replacement for most folks.
I would have paid anything Kemper asked for a fully-functioning half-size Kemper, in desktop (toaster) or Stage configuration.
Sure the Player can get it done well for most anyone’s needs, but something about anticipating dancing around digital compromises and connectivity limitations before even getting going that naws at the back of the mind, nothing like the sublime freedom of dealing with a couple pedals and a single channel amp.
So I’m thinking a lot of the Kemper haters around here would’ve paid closer to a grand or maybe more, if this new pretty box got them closer to its big brother’s functionality.
NEWS FLASH: maybe none of this matters since this thing will fly off shelves like no one‘s business and plenty of people will use it to get tonez and make music.
It’s an outdated business model in an era where marketing departments run the show. But man ..
Line 6 did a great job with the Stomp(s), even if they’re not exactly a replacement for most folks.
I would have paid anything Kemper asked for a fully-functioning half-size Kemper, in desktop (toaster) or Stage configuration.
Sure the Player can get it done well for most anyone’s needs, but something about anticipating dancing around digital compromises and connectivity limitations before even getting going that naws at the back of the mind, nothing like the sublime freedom of dealing with a couple pedals and a single channel amp.
So I’m thinking a lot of the Kemper haters around here would’ve paid closer to a grand or maybe more, if this new pretty box got them closer to its big brother’s functionality.
NEWS FLASH: maybe none of this matters since this thing will fly off shelves like no one‘s business and plenty of people will use it to get tonez and make music.
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Ahem. The word is revised.
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Nah. It's just wouldn't feel like I was in the internet anymore if I did that.
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NRE's
Tooling up a new product of this type - enclosure, covers, buttons, caps, LED lenses, packaging and insert dies, label dies, artwork, etc. - is $200K+ easy.
Add in the up front labor and materials costs for engineering, prototypes, marketing, promotions, etc.
What's the net profit on each unit? How many you gotta sell just to break even on NRE's?
Can you keep the lights on during all of that while you wait for profits to start rolling in?
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Yes , IMO the build quality on that Nano is very high
The metalwork instead or plastic , rotating encoder footswitches and of course stamped metal logo cutouts
That pretty top end for a pedal as you said even the packaging all black and silver
Like apple boxing it extravagant but you feel pretty impressed just buy opening the box
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Line6/Yamaha is the one who could pull it off with no up front costs except overhead.
Ex. tooling is $100K and the factory price for the unit to L6 is $100.
L6 places a binding PO for 5 releases of 500 units over a 6 month period at a unit price of $140.
Once that PO is fulfilled the unit price drops back to $100.
I'm sure Yamaha's word with Asian factories is gold.
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Yeah, that's not how any of that works.
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Too bad you're unaware of amortizing tooling over piece price.
That's exactly how it works in a lot of cases.
I've been personally involved dozens of times with folks like JBL Pro, Klipsch, Peavey, Harmon Consumer, and others.
Just assumed Yamaha had introduced L6 purchasing to the practice.
It's hard for small companies because it involves a lot of built in trust regarding production purchase orders.
The Top 3 Benefits of Tooling Cost Amortization
Worried about balancing tooling costs? See what cost amortization can do for your bottom line.
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Just remembered something to be aware of if you ever do get into doing this.
Regardless your company's standard payment terms (net 45, net 90, whatever)
any POs that include an amortized amount are paid in 30 days max.
The factory wants the tooling money back in their bank earning interest, not yours.
Unspoken rule that's part of the trust building.
Regardless your company's standard payment terms (net 45, net 90, whatever)
any POs that include an amortized amount are paid in 30 days max.
The factory wants the tooling money back in their bank earning interest, not yours.
Unspoken rule that's part of the trust building.
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It's not the amortization, it's how you claim amortization is applied. There's no "Oh! Tooling's paid for! Our cost is suddenly less!" just like there's no "Oh! R&D's paid for! Our cost is suddenly less!"Too bad you're unaware of amortizing tooling over piece price.
That's exactly how it works in a lot of cases.
I've been personally involved dozens of times with folks like JBL Pro, Klipsch, Peavey, Harmon Consumer, and others.
Just assumed Yamaha had introduced L6 purchasing to the practice.
It's hard for small companies because it involves a lot of built in trust regarding production purchase orders.
The Top 3 Benefits of Tooling Cost Amortization
Worried about balancing tooling costs? See what cost amortization can do for your bottom line.
Happy to discuss further, but not in this thread.
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I was a Klipsch Reference dealer for over a decade. Good shit.
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I was speaking in generalized terms - not getting into the details in order to get the basic concept across.
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Happy to host a chat on my Youtube channel, but we'd have to order in some sort of teledildonic accoutrements I feel, @Achilles can't live without them!
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Which decade? These days it's quite a bit of crap unfortunately.
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About 1998 through 2008. We mainly sold the higher end stuff like the Reference and the in-wall and in-ceiling stuff.
We also did Boston Acoustics, Paradigm, Yamaha, Denon, Adcom, and a bunch of others.
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