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SHOW OFF YOUR PEDALBOARD!
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Sascha Franck
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Super top luxury board for a jazzy kinda gig on Friday:
Only mounted the two so they don't slip around like mad, just velcro-ed them to two stripes of casewood.
The G3 is there because the HX looper is just pretty bad (operating it is even worse), whereas the G3 looper is the best 2 button looper I ever came across (I wish there was an undo function for overdubs, though), and as it's a duo gig (just double bass and guitar) I will use the looper at least a bit. Doubles as a DI box, too.
Only mounted the two so they don't slip around like mad, just velcro-ed them to two stripes of casewood.
The G3 is there because the HX looper is just pretty bad (operating it is even worse), whereas the G3 looper is the best 2 button looper I ever came across (I wish there was an undo function for overdubs, though), and as it's a duo gig (just double bass and guitar) I will use the looper at least a bit. Doubles as a DI box, too.
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Sascha Franck
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Ok, this so far seems to be a very decent solution for a long while to come:
Waiting for a new velcro delivery to fix the Amp Academy and "True Grit" (HB pseudo-clone of an OCD drive, fortunately *not* sounding exactly like it), the rest seems to be a done deal already. Yeah, the I/O section looks pretty bad, but it's in fact almost perfect this way. Thought about adding a Rockboard connection "bay" (which I even have around), but in fact, they're no good as you end up with plugs sticking out, so in case anyone stumbles across them, they will just break. No way for that to happen with this solution.
Goes like:
- Loop 1 of the GT has the True Grit and Amp Academy in and serves for all clean(-ish) sounds. The True Grit adds some nice, well, grit and with the right IR, the AA sounds pretty decent (might get a used Iridium one day, but it's defenitely quite nice as is already).
- Loop 2 has the entire upper row of pedals in it and serves as my dirt channel (the Amplifirebox is pretty much entirely clean by default but allows to be set for light breakup, I also have two patches prepared to choose from, one is slightly darker and a tad more mid-rangey).
- Pretty much all relevant blocks in the GT are set to "Stompbox" mode, so they're working globally.
- The most relevant parameters can be controlled from the encoders (DRV 1 gain and level, pre-dirt-lead-compressor output, post-dirt-lead-EQ output, main delay level, main reverb level).
- Some of the other global parameters are ready to be controlled via TouchOSC from a tablet, but I might not have to use that.
- All the 5 main patches are based on one master patch and using exactly the same routing (and the same global blocks, too). That way, there's reverb/delay spillover all throughout. Patch switching is gapless anyway (that's something Boss really knows to get right).
- 2 of the 4 FX blocks are resevered for the clean, 2 for the dirt "channel".
There's a bit of tricky programming involved, really took me a while to find a goldilocks organisation. For instance, as I usually want only reverb for clean leads (my typical rhythm patches are all bone dry) and a combination of delay and reverb for dirty leads, the reverb needed to be less (I'm fine using the same reverb type for both) on all dirt lead patches. But as I wanted the reverb to be global, programming the mix per patch wasn't an option. So I came up with a split path that has a 100% wet reverb (and a "helper" delay) on it, with the mixer switching from 100/100 to 100/50 once I switch "channels". Works a treat now and doesn't compromise anything.
As you may see, I'm completely skipping all of the GTs amp modeling (which is a bit of as pity because I was hoping for the internal amps to at least work as pedal platforms, but they're just no fun - serviceable but just no joy to deal with). Using the Boss as a "pedalboard brain" and MFX unit is defenitely worth keeping it as is, though. The FX, while certainly not the best in business anymore, are pretty much instant gratification. I'm not using too much FX anyway (apart from delays and reverb).
Even with the triple ADDA signal chain going on, overall latency is still well under 4ms, something other units don't manage to deliver without any loops active.
Already had it running like this at volume (on a rehearsal) and it's been a complete blast. Can't remember whether I ever had a setup that capable and as easy to operate. In fact, I haven't. Not even by a mile.
Waiting for a new velcro delivery to fix the Amp Academy and "True Grit" (HB pseudo-clone of an OCD drive, fortunately *not* sounding exactly like it), the rest seems to be a done deal already. Yeah, the I/O section looks pretty bad, but it's in fact almost perfect this way. Thought about adding a Rockboard connection "bay" (which I even have around), but in fact, they're no good as you end up with plugs sticking out, so in case anyone stumbles across them, they will just break. No way for that to happen with this solution.
Goes like:
- Loop 1 of the GT has the True Grit and Amp Academy in and serves for all clean(-ish) sounds. The True Grit adds some nice, well, grit and with the right IR, the AA sounds pretty decent (might get a used Iridium one day, but it's defenitely quite nice as is already).
- Loop 2 has the entire upper row of pedals in it and serves as my dirt channel (the Amplifirebox is pretty much entirely clean by default but allows to be set for light breakup, I also have two patches prepared to choose from, one is slightly darker and a tad more mid-rangey).
- Pretty much all relevant blocks in the GT are set to "Stompbox" mode, so they're working globally.
- The most relevant parameters can be controlled from the encoders (DRV 1 gain and level, pre-dirt-lead-compressor output, post-dirt-lead-EQ output, main delay level, main reverb level).
- Some of the other global parameters are ready to be controlled via TouchOSC from a tablet, but I might not have to use that.
- All the 5 main patches are based on one master patch and using exactly the same routing (and the same global blocks, too). That way, there's reverb/delay spillover all throughout. Patch switching is gapless anyway (that's something Boss really knows to get right).
- 2 of the 4 FX blocks are resevered for the clean, 2 for the dirt "channel".
There's a bit of tricky programming involved, really took me a while to find a goldilocks organisation. For instance, as I usually want only reverb for clean leads (my typical rhythm patches are all bone dry) and a combination of delay and reverb for dirty leads, the reverb needed to be less (I'm fine using the same reverb type for both) on all dirt lead patches. But as I wanted the reverb to be global, programming the mix per patch wasn't an option. So I came up with a split path that has a 100% wet reverb (and a "helper" delay) on it, with the mixer switching from 100/100 to 100/50 once I switch "channels". Works a treat now and doesn't compromise anything.
As you may see, I'm completely skipping all of the GTs amp modeling (which is a bit of as pity because I was hoping for the internal amps to at least work as pedal platforms, but they're just no fun - serviceable but just no joy to deal with). Using the Boss as a "pedalboard brain" and MFX unit is defenitely worth keeping it as is, though. The FX, while certainly not the best in business anymore, are pretty much instant gratification. I'm not using too much FX anyway (apart from delays and reverb).
Even with the triple ADDA signal chain going on, overall latency is still well under 4ms, something other units don't manage to deliver without any loops active.
Already had it running like this at volume (on a rehearsal) and it's been a complete blast. Can't remember whether I ever had a setup that capable and as easy to operate. In fact, I haven't. Not even by a mile.
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newpedals
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Nice. How are the reverb algorithms in the GT1000 compared to their standalone stuff like RV-6 or RV-200/ RV-500?
megametal7
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Dude that looks like Nasa space exploration device hehehe i would be lost navigating that.
That Be -od where do you have it in chain and how do you use it?
Sascha Franck
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Decent but not as complexed. There's some options missing and likely some models too. Doesn't bother me much (if at all) as I was already getting away with one single hall type allthroughout pretty much all my playing "career". I adjust it to work well with a clean lead sound (typically reverb times between 2-2.5 seconds) and call it a day. But I also added a little "helper delay" sitting in front (220ms), very lightly mixed in, I always liked that in the past already as it adds a little "depth" without getting muddy. You likely won't be able to tell that there's a delay but you notice once you switch it off. Not exactly required, though, just a bit of nerd stuff.
Anyhow, as all of this is made strictly for live usage (at least once it comes to delays and reverbs), I really don't need anything sophisticated. For "bigger" sounds (that I like using for swells and such), I have the GT's Master Delay reserved.
Sascha Franck
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Well, programming the thing is a pain (but that's just because Boss can't do proper UIs, regardless whether it's on unit or through their editors), but using it is absolutely straight forward. My main 4 patches are clean, clean lead, dirt and dirt lead. Patch #5 has some spacey stuff going on. And that's basically about it already, anything else is only used whenever I may feel like. I can basically operate all sounds from within one patch as well, in manual mode I can access switches for clean/dirt and rhythm/lead, plus then some, so that's sort of like dealing with a traditional board.
Anyhow, in real life I decide whether clean should be clean or a little hairy and be done with that. Similar for the dirt sounds where I preselect a suitable drive (with or without the Pure Boost for "more"). And that's it, the rest is done by pressing 1, 2, 3, 4 and ocassionally 5.
Pretty easy, really.
It's just in the upper row chain. Serves as a kinda basic rock drive (might be replaced one day because it's not exactly too tight, but the same is true for the amp as well), running into the Amplifirebox (which is running either an EQ-tricked Bassman or Deluxe model - but I never switch between them during gigs).
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Been a while since i goofed around with my stuff, winter activities has kept me busy and such I kinda took a short break (typical the Swede). Some may remember I came back last summer/fall after a longer break. Bla bla bla!
Anyhow, found an oldie but goldie in a bin at my local store! I think many would pass on this one, it def hasn’t been one of the popular reverbs for sure.
TC T2 reverb.
As a normal pretty reverb it sucks! I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone actually because most algorithms are cheesy and to weird. All the modes basically consist of plate with different types of effects added, like phase or chorus or choppy stuff. Some modes are decent if mix and decay is turned don to sane levels.
But I was mostly interested in running it into my Carcosa fuzz. Reverb into fuzz is very much an experiment type of thing where several pieces has to fit and match or just happen to work by chance. There’s no given rule or recipe really.
But I knew from some post-rock friends that there’s two modes that hits the spot and it’s pretty darn cool sending it into a spitting Carcosa. I can easily get it to sound like a thunderstorm type of thing or a big wall of noise that’s still defined and musical (at least to me).
Having the Obscura in lofi mode with long decay after the Carcosa and finishing it of with the Wet is total ambient guitar heaven, even if it’s all mono.
for the lousy 50$ it definitely can stay for a while.
Anyhow, found an oldie but goldie in a bin at my local store! I think many would pass on this one, it def hasn’t been one of the popular reverbs for sure.
TC T2 reverb.
As a normal pretty reverb it sucks! I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone actually because most algorithms are cheesy and to weird. All the modes basically consist of plate with different types of effects added, like phase or chorus or choppy stuff. Some modes are decent if mix and decay is turned don to sane levels.
But I was mostly interested in running it into my Carcosa fuzz. Reverb into fuzz is very much an experiment type of thing where several pieces has to fit and match or just happen to work by chance. There’s no given rule or recipe really.
But I knew from some post-rock friends that there’s two modes that hits the spot and it’s pretty darn cool sending it into a spitting Carcosa. I can easily get it to sound like a thunderstorm type of thing or a big wall of noise that’s still defined and musical (at least to me).
Having the Obscura in lofi mode with long decay after the Carcosa and finishing it of with the Wet is total ambient guitar heaven, even if it’s all mono.
for the lousy 50$ it definitely can stay for a while.
Sascha Franck
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Your boards all look so clean, folks. Where's good old rock'n'roll?
the swede
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I’m a home player! It’s under a blanket, and on Sundays when we clean the house I dust my pedalboard off… and talk to it a little. It’s not about the actual rock’n’roll actions, it’s about the dream of rock’n’roll. The illusion of it.
You have a point. And I might consider to make it look more used on purpose… smudge greasy and dirty it up
iaresee
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No he doesn't.
You owe no explanation to anyone about why your gear is clean or dirty or any other way.
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I'm not a scutter. Simples.
newpedals
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I’m a home player! It’s under a blanket, and on Sundays when we clean the house I dust my pedalboard off… and talk to it a little. It’s not about the actual rock’n’roll actions, it’s about the dream of rock’n’roll. The illusion of it.
You have a point. And I might consider to make it look more used on purpose… smudge greasy and dirty it up
It's ok. What's important is that you have a board and can play. Many people of my age today (young) don't want to pursue music as a hobby or be serious about it, because they think that it's not worth taking the effort and spending the time.
Those who can play really well (I have seen some buskers who have amazing chops) can't afford good gear. Saw an old guy hurt his finger because the frets on his guitar were spiky.
Gear and particularly pedals are getting expensive and complicated.
Keep playing. Doesn't matter if it's only at home or a concert in a stadium.
Sascha Franck
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I can clearly see that humor doesn't belong in music.
the swede
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i was about to say the same haha! My reply was meant to be humorous and ironic
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dronerstone
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Merely a hypothesis, but what if all of us supergeeks on here are on at least some kind of spectrum, and irony/sarcasm are difficult to wrap our heads around in certain situations?
50/50 humor/seriousness in the above.
I mean, there's a reason we chose to come here and flee from the boredom and often stupid behaviour of TOP.
My partner (jokingly) said I've been "radicalized" when I first told her about the heartwarming and cozy little group that is TGF.
