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What the heck - pretty soon they'll be coming after Tube Amps.


Diesel motorhome sales are set to be halted in several states at the start of next year due to a new climate rule from California being enacted, according to RVtravel.

Motorhome sales are being prevented in California, Washington, Oregon, New York, Massachusetts and New Jersey if the vehicles do not meet certain emission requirements based on regulations from the California Air Resources Board (CARB), according to RVtravel. CARB amended its Advanced Clean Truck regulations on Oct. 24, which require all vehicles over 8,500 pounds to produce zero emissions.

Motorhome owners in the six states will not be allowed to register a recreational vehicle (RV) that is not in compliance with the climate regulation, according to RVtravel.

California has enacted various green energy policies in recent years, including filing a major lawsuit against Chevron and other oil companies seeking climate change damages in September 2023 and enacting a landmark corporate emissions disclosure requirement in October 2023. The state has seen drastically higher gas prices amid its policies and regulations aimed at cracking down on fuel refiners. (RELATED: Wealthy Town Running Out Of Cash Under Blue State’s Strict Affordable Housing Policies)

The Biden-Harris administration has rolled out various electric vehicle (EV) policies as part of President Joe Biden’s climate agenda, including introducing a strict tailpipe emissions rule in March that would require about 67% of all light-duty vehicles sold after 2032 to be EVs or hybrids. The president has been leading a push to build 500,000 public EV chargers nationwide by 2030, but the initiative has so far been majorly delayed.

Various American automakers have scaled back EV-related plans amid a lack of consumer demand. Toyota’s North American Chief Operating Officer Jack Hollis recently criticized policies promoting EV adoption, citing “impossible” standards.

CARB did not immediately respond to a request for comment from the Daily Caller News Foundation.

 
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Frodebro said:
California relies on neighboring states for their power and water (they have frequent brownouts), yet they're pushing to ban all internal combustion engines in favor of EVs. Think about that for a moment.
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EVs are nowhere near prime-time for a lot of duty cycles. I don't understand this obsession with pushing them for all applications. The tech just isn't there yet.

While that's bad enough, this new diesel ban on RVs is just nuts. RVs are heavy as heck - there aren't too many gas engines that can pull large Class As. Ford's 7.3L Godzilla is probably the best option but it has nowhere near the torque/power needed for heavy hauls. Make NO sense...
 
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EVs are nowhere near prime-time for a lot of duty cycles. I don't understand this obsession with pushing them for all applications. The tech just isn't there yet.

While that's bad enough, this new diesel ban on RVs is just nuts. RVs are heavy as heck - there aren't too many gas engines that can pull large Class As. Ford's 7.3L Godzilla is probably the best option but it has nowhere near the torque/power needed for heavy hauls. Make NO sense...
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The country would not be ready to support a 100% shift to EVs in twenty years, the infrastructure simply isn't there to replace every gas station with charging stations. As for the why, just look at who supplies most of the batteries, and look at how much money they have funneled to the people making these decisions. Also, if everybody is dependent on the power grid it would be really easy to exert control over us by simply turning off the power. They want to ban natural gas (including stoves and furnaces) despite the fact that it burns extremely cleanly. They want to ban portable generators and outdoor barbecues. Basically anything that isn't tied into the grid is on the hit list.

And where does a large percentage of that electricity come from? Coal plants.
 
banned said:
EVs are nowhere near prime-time for a lot of duty cycles. I don't understand this obsession with pushing them for all applications. The tech just isn't there yet.

While that's bad enough, this new diesel ban on RVs is just nuts. RVs are heavy as heck - there aren't too many gas engines that can pull large Class As. Ford's 7.3L Godzilla is probably the best option but it has nowhere near the torque/power needed for heavy hauls. Make NO sense...
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Exactly, gasoline is not as efficient with those heavy loads, and those vehicles will die sooner because of the higher RPM required to generate near the same level of torque - thereby generating more heat and sooner failure of parts.
 
Frodebro said:
California relies on neighboring states for their power and water (they have frequent brownouts), yet they're pushing to ban all internal combustion engines in favor of EVs. Think about that for a moment.
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As someone who lives north of Sacramento, this hits different. Would probably be true if you were talking about everything south of Bakersfield.

Would probably be true for NorCal if you replaced ‘brownouts’ with ‘fires’ as well.
 
My understanding of this issue goes like this:

I'm all for renewables and EV's, but the precious metals needed to build them are in short supply, owned primarily by countries that are not the best of allies with the west, the lifespan of the batteries/solar panels is short enough that the ROI isn't worth it in the long run, and the process of extracting the elements that go into building them may very well be more impactful to the environment than its worth, including the environmental impact of their disposal.

But using electricity generated at scaled-up power plants is certain more efficient than using internal combustion engines, so in theory it makes sense. And we need to get off fossil fuels, due to the damage to the climate.

Renewables cannot replace base power, and even if/when they can, I don't believe the overall cost is worth it. What's that leave us? Nuclear. Fission. I believe it can be made to be safe; The 3 main accidents we've had were entirely preventable, and bordering on stupidity (putting diesel generators in the basement in tsunami areas!) and cutting corners (Chernobyl was an accident waiting to happen.)

I also believe if it's safety we're worried about, there are many other major projects in the world in which I think we're basically playing with far more dangerous possibilities than building safe nuclear power plants.


And lets not forget the energy-generating component is only 1 side of the coin. The other is that we are destroying the planet's abilities to handle the negative impacts to the environment, such as the deforestation of rain forests. I realize people need to grow food, which is why they cut down these forests, but could there be a way of redirecting funds that we're using on tech that is not going to solve our immediate problems, to subsidize whatever it takes to stop the destruction of these hugely important ecosystems?

Like I said, that's how I understand these problems. Banning RV's is pissing in the wind, and most likely politically-driven, imo.
 
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