Randy Rhoads Tone Tutorial??

JiveTurkey said:
Ultimate Sin is my Ozzy tonal 'era' :satan
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Much as I like Jake E. Lee, I don't hear a world of difference between his gained-out Marshall tones and Randy Rhoads. I listen to "Crazy Train" and "Lightning Strikes" back-to-back and the production is the biggest difference maker to me. (with Ozzy supposedly hating the latter).

My "ultimate" Ozzy tonal album would be either No Rest for the Wicked or No More Tears.
 
mikah912 said:
Much as I like Jake E. Lee, I don't hear a world of difference between his gained-out Marshall tones and Randy Rhoads. I listen to "Crazy Train" and "Lightning Strikes" back-to-back and the production is the biggest difference maker to me. (with Ozzy supposedly hating the latter).

My "ultimate" Ozzy tonal album would be either No Rest for the Wicked or No More Tears.
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I feel like it's a lot more balanced sounding. Could be down to the production? Randy was a lot more raw sounding I'd say?
 
I will also add that Bark At The Moon seems like a definite tonal in-between from Randy sounds to Ultimate Sin era. So the production thought could be even more on the money?
 
high quality GIF
 
FuzzyAce said:
I always thought those Ozzy albums could have been mixed much better. I blame that on any Randy tone issues. :grin
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full agreement. I think they were all stoned and had no clue how to mix. It sounds like they used one microphone that may have been broken. The No More Tears album is the pinnacle for quality for Ozzy. Don't get me wrong the song writing was still very good. VH1 was just as bad but recording was a rush and they didn't double track anything or take the time needed. They just took it as is. It's a shame because there were some great sounding albums from that era that were very done well. Africa by Toto still blows my mind. I've tried to make that sound bad and I simply can't.
 
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dean701 said:
full agreement. I think they were all stoned and had no clue how to mix. It sounds like they used one microphone that may have been broken. The No More Tears is the pinnacle for quality for Ozzy. Don't get me wrong the song writing was still very good. VH1 was just as bad but recording was a rush and they didn't double track anything or the time needed. They just took it. It's a shame because there were some great sounding albums from that era that were very done well.
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I blame Benjamin Franklin for not inventing Pro Tools in 1977.

:unsure:
 
I don’t enough history to know what albums were coming out around the times the earlier Ozzy records were, but that stuff was all on the cusp of recording/production taking a massive shift from being a little better than sticking some mics in a room with a band to treating production like it’s own art. Obviously you had the Eddie Kramers, Alan Parsons, Roy Thomas Baker guys that were advancing studio techniques before that, but by the Bob Clearmountain/Quincy Jones/Mutt Lange thing was just beginning after those earlier Ozzy records.
 
There were plenty of poorly mixed albums all through the 80’s. I think it had more to do with an albums budget whether you could get a good producer or engineer and I seriously doubt Ozzy had much of a budget those first few albums considering. Bark at the moon was the last album Max produced with Ozzy so listen to it and every Ozzy album after and it was obviously more to do with producer than bad recording techniques although I guess they kinda go hand in hand in some situations.
 
This is easy. Dial in a really nasty and squealy amp tone with some sort of Marshall. Put a harsh distortion in front of that. Nailed it.
 
To me... Randy had an amazing playing style with a terrible tone. Muffled, wooly, not refined... hard to describe. Having said that I can listen to Mr Crowley any day every day, he's on fire on that one.
 
Found a decent (I think) IR that has Altec 417-8H speaker captured. Various mics. Pretty cheap too at $5.

I have no affiliation, just found it randomly searching for Altec 417-8H IRs. Another came up by Tone Factor but it was just a 1x12 IR.


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Mr.Shall Silver 87 IR Pack

Silver 87 80s Iconic Tone A piece of the music history, iconic cab of the 80s era with glam, hard rock, thrash, heavy metal and many other genres.The 80's was one of the best times for music specially for heavy tones and, the goal of this cab is capture those tones in a single pack. You can...
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Features​

Based on Marshall® 2556B Silver Jubilee Cab from 1980s.

Speakers:
⊛ 417H: Based on Altec Lansing® 417-8H.
⊛ EV12L: Based on Electrovoice® EVM12L from the 80s.
⊛ G12V: Based on Celestion® Vintage 30 T3896(Marshall G12 Vintage) 70 watt from the 80s.
⊛ G1265: Based on Celestion® G12-65 T3054 from the 80s.
⊛ G1280: Based on Celestion® G12-80 T3537 from the 80s.
⊛ UKT75: Based on Celestion® G12T-75 T3760 60 watt from the 80s.

Microphones
Ribbons:
⊛ 44: Based on AEA® R44C.
⊛ 92: Based on AEA® R92.
⊛ 121: Based on Royer® R121.
⊛ 160: Based on Beyerdynamic® M160.
⊛ 313: Based on Shure® KSM313.
⊛ 4038: Based on Coles® 4038.

Condensers:
⊛ 47F: Based on Neumann® U47 FET.
⊛ 47T: Based on Neumann® U47.
⊛ 49: Based on Neumann® M49.
⊛ 67: Based on Neumann® U67.
⊛ 251: Based on Telefunken® ELA M251E.
⊛ 414: Based on AKG® C414.

Dynamics:
⊛ 7: Based on Shure® SM7B.
⊛ R20: Based on Electrovoice® RE20.
⊛ 57: Based on Shure® SM57.
⊛ 421: Based on Sennheiser® MD421.
⊛ 545: Based on Shure® 545SD Classic Unydine.
⊛ 906: Based on Sennheiser®E906.

Rear & Room Mics:
⊛ 47F: Based on Neumann® U47 FET.
⊛ 47T: Based on Neumann® U47.
⊛ 49: Based on Neumann® M49.
⊛ 67: Based on Neumann® U67.
⊛ 121: Based on Royer® R121
⊛ 313: Based on Shure® KSM313.
⊛ 414: Based on AKG® C414.
⊛ 4038: Based on Coles® 4038.
 
LCW said:
Found a decent (I think) IR that has Altec 417-8H speaker captured. Various mics. Pretty cheap too at $5.

I have no affiliation, just found it randomly searching for Altec 417-8H IRs. Another came up by Tone Factor but it was just a 1x12 IR.


audioassault.mx

Mr.Shall Silver 87 IR Pack

Silver 87 80s Iconic Tone A piece of the music history, iconic cab of the 80s era with glam, hard rock, thrash, heavy metal and many other genres.The 80's was one of the best times for music specially for heavy tones and, the goal of this cab is capture those tones in a single pack. You can...
audioassault.mx audioassault.mx


Features​

Based on Marshall® 2556B Silver Jubilee Cab from 1980s.

Speakers:
⊛ 417H: Based on Altec Lansing® 417-8H.
⊛ EV12L: Based on Electrovoice® EVM12L from the 80s.
⊛ G12V: Based on Celestion® Vintage 30 T3896(Marshall G12 Vintage) 70 watt from the 80s.
⊛ G1265: Based on Celestion® G12-65 T3054 from the 80s.
⊛ G1280: Based on Celestion® G12-80 T3537 from the 80s.
⊛ UKT75: Based on Celestion® G12T-75 T3760 60 watt from the 80s.

Microphones
Ribbons:
⊛ 44: Based on AEA® R44C.
⊛ 92: Based on AEA® R92.
⊛ 121: Based on Royer® R121.
⊛ 160: Based on Beyerdynamic® M160.
⊛ 313: Based on Shure® KSM313.
⊛ 4038: Based on Coles® 4038.

Condensers:
⊛ 47F: Based on Neumann® U47 FET.
⊛ 47T: Based on Neumann® U47.
⊛ 49: Based on Neumann® M49.
⊛ 67: Based on Neumann® U67.
⊛ 251: Based on Telefunken® ELA M251E.
⊛ 414: Based on AKG® C414.

Dynamics:
⊛ 7: Based on Shure® SM7B.
⊛ R20: Based on Electrovoice® RE20.
⊛ 57: Based on Shure® SM57.
⊛ 421: Based on Sennheiser® MD421.
⊛ 545: Based on Shure® 545SD Classic Unydine.
⊛ 906: Based on Sennheiser®E906.

Rear & Room Mics:
⊛ 47F: Based on Neumann® U47 FET.
⊛ 47T: Based on Neumann® U47.
⊛ 49: Based on Neumann® M49.
⊛ 67: Based on Neumann® U67.
⊛ 121: Based on Royer® R121
⊛ 313: Based on Shure® KSM313.
⊛ 414: Based on AKG® C414.
⊛ 4038: Based on Coles® 4038.
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That's the one I used on my RR cover tunes.

:chef
 
LCW said:
Found a decent (I think) IR that has Altec 417-8H speaker captured. Various mics. Pretty cheap too at $5.

I have no affiliation, just found it randomly searching for Altec 417-8H IRs. Another came up by Tone Factor but it was just a 1x12 IR.


audioassault.mx

Mr.Shall Silver 87 IR Pack

Silver 87 80s Iconic Tone A piece of the music history, iconic cab of the 80s era with glam, hard rock, thrash, heavy metal and many other genres.The 80's was one of the best times for music specially for heavy tones and, the goal of this cab is capture those tones in a single pack. You can...
audioassault.mx audioassault.mx


Features​

Based on Marshall® 2556B Silver Jubilee Cab from 1980s.

Speakers:
⊛ 417H: Based on Altec Lansing® 417-8H.
⊛ EV12L: Based on Electrovoice® EVM12L from the 80s.
⊛ G12V: Based on Celestion® Vintage 30 T3896(Marshall G12 Vintage) 70 watt from the 80s.
⊛ G1265: Based on Celestion® G12-65 T3054 from the 80s.
⊛ G1280: Based on Celestion® G12-80 T3537 from the 80s.
⊛ UKT75: Based on Celestion® G12T-75 T3760 60 watt from the 80s.

Microphones
Ribbons:
⊛ 44: Based on AEA® R44C.
⊛ 92: Based on AEA® R92.
⊛ 121: Based on Royer® R121.
⊛ 160: Based on Beyerdynamic® M160.
⊛ 313: Based on Shure® KSM313.
⊛ 4038: Based on Coles® 4038.

Condensers:
⊛ 47F: Based on Neumann® U47 FET.
⊛ 47T: Based on Neumann® U47.
⊛ 49: Based on Neumann® M49.
⊛ 67: Based on Neumann® U67.
⊛ 251: Based on Telefunken® ELA M251E.
⊛ 414: Based on AKG® C414.

Dynamics:
⊛ 7: Based on Shure® SM7B.
⊛ R20: Based on Electrovoice® RE20.
⊛ 57: Based on Shure® SM57.
⊛ 421: Based on Sennheiser® MD421.
⊛ 545: Based on Shure® 545SD Classic Unydine.
⊛ 906: Based on Sennheiser®E906.

Rear & Room Mics:
⊛ 47F: Based on Neumann® U47 FET.
⊛ 47T: Based on Neumann® U47.
⊛ 49: Based on Neumann® M49.
⊛ 67: Based on Neumann® U67.
⊛ 121: Based on Royer® R121
⊛ 313: Based on Shure® KSM313.
⊛ 414: Based on AKG® C414.
⊛ 4038: Based on Coles® 4038.
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Thank you! :beer
 
PLX said:
Left Channel Signal Chain:
MXR Distortion+ Output: 10, Distortion: 4
MXR Ten Band Graphic EQ 31.2: -2, 62.5: 0, 125: +3, 250: +7, 500: +10, 1k: +6, 2k: +3, 4k: -2, 8k: 0, 16k: +3
Marshall Plexi
Altec 417-8H 12-inch speakers

Right Channel Signal Chain:
MXR Distortion+ Output: 10, Distortion: 4
MXR Ten Band Graphic EQ 31.2: -2, 62.5: 0, 125: +3, 250: +7, 500: +10, 1k: +6, 2k: +3, 4k: -2, 8k: 0, 16k: +3
1975-76 Marshall JMP model 1959 Super Lead MKII 100-watt head : Presence: 5, Bass: 2, Middle: 6, Treble: 7, Volume I: 6, Volume II: 0, Input I top
Altec 417-8H 12-inch speakers

Both channels bussed into AMS DMX 15-80S Digital Delay (can substitute Eventide H910)

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Used these settings for a preset on the FM3 I just got and combined with the 417H IRs from Seacow and wow... sounds even better than on the QC!
 
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