Putting yourself out there kinda sucks

[TSJMajesty]

people are instantly in 'not going to do that' mode.

If I told this before..., oh well.

Last band I was in, the de facto band leader had a real narcissistic personality. So it was generally "his way or the highway" when it came to picking songs. I wanted to do R.O.C.K. in the USA. His instant reply: "Oh I can't stand John Cougar Mellancamp, so that was that.

(Like really? How does that even matter if it's a good, danceable song?)

Now our bass player never says anything, so when he jumps in and says, "Next week, everyone brings in 5 songs they want to do, we go around the room, each person picks 1 song from their list, and we work it up," our fearless leader really couldn't argue with him, because of his general lack of ever getting involved in these kinds of "arguments."

So it comes to me, and my pick is ROCK in the USA.

We didn't even need to learn it at home, it was so simple. Play the CD, 2 run-thrus, and we have it down! Smiles all around, except for a look of chagrin on you-know-who's face.

Not only was it such a crowd-pleaser, it ended up being our closer, I suggested we make it into a medley, by morphing into What I Like About You, (same key, same tempo, easy to do this), which ends up working beautifully.

I hated being in a band with a supposed know-it-all, but it sure was enjoyable watching him squirm when that song went over so well, every time we played it.

 

[la szum]

Every time I read the thread title I am all.....

 

[JiveTurkey]

Had our first practice last night with our "new (this time)" guitarist. Went great. As I said earlier; we have a shared history. It's a good shared history of people that can do their jobs perfectly \m/ Drummer is tight and metal AF, singer's voice is super brutal but clear. Guitarist and myself fit like a Chaos AD glove

He's a great player and tonally he does the "super beefy with some pleasant crispiness on the highs" while I do the "gained out, I am using a 112 IR and my tone is not Boston middy-AF but definitely middy-AF in a good way". Great blend of sounds to my ears. Our sounds and playing are very complimentary. Always have been. I love it.

Went through our 6 song list a couple of times. Bodies, Break Stuff, King Nothing, One Step Closer, Beautiful People and Falling Away From Me. Drummer is tight on these songs because he has that nature about him where he LEARNS things the way they actually are. Great band mind. On guitarist front; it was mainly about us finding our different parts as guitarists and hashing little bits and pieces out of who was playing what. Jammed through those good enough where I would have played the set in front of people as is



After this; we ended up playing Roots, then Helpless as well as one of our doomier drop B tunes from the way back. Like a glove doesn't really begin to describe it. I know I am supposed to be chill but it was so fun playing the heavier stuff again and the possibilities were sending my mind spinning in a good way.

The plan is to find a bassist and get back to it after Christmas. I am excited and everyone else seemed to be on that same tip as well!

Only issue I found is tuning. Ugh. Originally; I wanted this to be my "let's play 7 strings (or a baritone)" and be in B standard and drop A with same guitar. Last night was "I'm in E flat standard/drop C# then use the FAS pitch block (SHOCK HORRROR HOW COULD I DO THAT?) to go down to C#/ standard/drop B as needed and other guitarist is in E standard with a drop pedal".

He learned the Korn song in standard tuning (albeit A or whatever it's in on the record). I learned it in drop B. I found myself having trouble keeping the tunings between us straight as well as communicating the tuning discrepancies of each song we were deviating from as well as our own differences in tuning. I'm gonna need a cheat sheet or we're going to have to tune the same

Cautiously more than optimistic at the moment and just glad to be able to kick out the metal adjacent stuff for the first time in a LONG time

 

[DrewJD82]

Had our first practice last night with our "new (this time)" guitarist. Went great. As I said earlier; we have a shared history. It's a good shared history of people that can do their jobs perfectly \m/ Drummer is tight and metal AF, singer's voice is super brutal but clear. Guitarist and myself fit like a Chaos AD glove

He's a great player and tonally he does the "super beefy with some pleasant crispiness on the highs" while I do the "gained out, I am using a 112 IR and my tone is not Boston middy-AF but definitely middy-AF in a good way". Great blend of sounds to my ears. Our sounds and playing are very complimentary. Always have been. I love it.

Went through our 6 song list a couple of times. Bodies, Break Stuff, King Nothing, One Step Closer, Beautiful People and Falling Away From Me. Drummer is tight on these songs because he has that nature about him where he LEARNS things the way they actually are. Great band mind. On guitarist front; it was mainly about us finding our different parts as guitarists and hashing little bits and pieces out of who was playing what. Jammed through those good enough where I would have played the set in front of people as is



After this; we ended up playing Roots, then Helpless as well as one of our doomier drop B tunes from the way back. Like a glove doesn't really begin to describe it. I know I am supposed to be chill but it was so fun playing the heavier stuff again and the possibilities were sending my mind spinning in a good way.

The plan is to find a bassist and get back to it after Christmas. I am excited and everyone else seemed to be on that same tip as well!

Only issue I found is tuning. Ugh. Originally; I wanted this to be my "let's play 7 strings (or a baritone)" and be in B standard and drop A with same guitar. Last night was "I'm in E flat standard/drop C# then use the FAS pitch block (SHOCK HORRROR HOW COULD I DO THAT?) to go down to C#/ standard/drop B as needed and other guitarist is in E standard with a drop pedal".

He learned the Korn song in standard tuning (albeit A or whatever it's in on the record). I learned it in drop B. I found myself having trouble keeping the tunings between us straight as well as communicating the tuning discrepancies of each song we were deviating from as well as our own differences in tuning. I'm gonna need a cheat sheet or we're going to have to tune the same

Cautiously more than optimistic at the moment and just glad to be able to kick out the metal adjacent stuff for the first time in a LONG time

Awesome, man!!!!!!! Finally some great progress!!!!

The tuning thing can definitely be challenging, I went through that in that band a year or two ago where the other dude only used 7-strings and they did everything in the original tuning, with a song in every damn key from E down to A. I had a cheat sheet while still using the scribble strips/presets/scenes to inform me what key I was changing to. Fortunately, once you figure out how to handle it, you can pretty much apply it to all the future songs and not have to worry about it again.

That’s a great foundation to start with though, man! A solid drummer and a guitar where your tones are already working out together, that’s usually the harder shit to get happening!

 

[JiveTurkey]

Awesome, man!!!!!!! Finally some great progress!!!!

The tuning thing can definitely be challenging, I went through that in that band a year or two ago where the other dude only used 7-strings and they did everything in the original tuning, with a song in every damn key from E down to A. I had a cheat sheet while still using the scribble strips/presets/scenes to inform me what key I was changing to. Fortunately, once you figure out how to handle it, you can pretty much apply it to all the future songs and not have to worry about it again.

That’s a great foundation to start with though, man! A solid drummer and a guitar where your tones are already working out together, that’s usually the harder shit to get happening!

He has an FM3/FC6 rig with a Drop pedal. So we are pretty compatible, rig wise?
Historically; he played a Triple Rectifier while I played an OG 5150 and it was always peanut butter and jelly between us, tonally

I think either I need to tune up to 440 and then use a pitch block to drop down or he should go to E flat and then we drop via technology. The E flat allows for drop C# which is then close to drop B with digital assistance. That Korn song is the one that is kind keeping it in the low end of things. And I am not dropping it

 

[TSJMajesty]

Had our first practice last night with our "new (this time)" guitarist. Went great. As I said earlier; we have a shared history. It's a good shared history of people that can do their jobs perfectly \m/ Drummer is tight and metal AF, singer's voice is super brutal but clear. Guitarist and myself fit like a Chaos AD glove

He's a great player and tonally he does the "super beefy with some pleasant crispiness on the highs" while I do the "gained out, I am using a 112 IR and my tone is not Boston middy-AF but definitely middy-AF in a good way". Great blend of sounds to my ears. Our sounds and playing are very complimentary. Always have been. I love it.

Went through our 6 song list a couple of times. Bodies, Break Stuff, King Nothing, One Step Closer, Beautiful People and Falling Away From Me. Drummer is tight on these songs because he has that nature about him where he LEARNS things the way they actually are. Great band mind. On guitarist front; it was mainly about us finding our different parts as guitarists and hashing little bits and pieces out of who was playing what. Jammed through those good enough where I would have played the set in front of people as is



After this; we ended up playing Roots, then Helpless as well as one of our doomier drop B tunes from the way back. Like a glove doesn't really begin to describe it. I know I am supposed to be chill but it was so fun playing the heavier stuff again and the possibilities were sending my mind spinning in a good way.

The plan is to find a bassist and get back to it after Christmas. I am excited and everyone else seemed to be on that same tip as well!

Only issue I found is tuning. Ugh. Originally; I wanted this to be my "let's play 7 strings (or a baritone)" and be in B standard and drop A with same guitar. Last night was "I'm in E flat standard/drop C# then use the FAS pitch block (SHOCK HORRROR HOW COULD I DO THAT?) to go down to C#/ standard/drop B as needed and other guitarist is in E standard with a drop pedal".

He learned the Korn song in standard tuning (albeit A or whatever it's in on the record). I learned it in drop B. I found myself having trouble keeping the tunings between us straight as well as communicating the tuning discrepancies of each song we were deviating from as well as our own differences in tuning. I'm gonna need a cheat sheet or we're going to have to tune the same

Cautiously more than optimistic at the moment and just glad to be able to kick out the metal adjacent stuff for the first time in a LONG time

That's great news!! Pulling for ya that it works out better than you could hope for. (Glad you're doing music instead of obsessing over gear! haha @bukowski , you see this?)

 

[DrewJD82]

He has an FM3/FC6 rig with a Drop pedal. So we are pretty compatible, rig wise?
Historically; he played a Triple Rectifier while I played an OG 5150 and it was always peanut butter and jelly between us, tonally

I think either I need to tune up to 440 and then use a pitch block to drop down or he should go to E flat and then we drop via technology. The E flat allows for drop C# which is then close to drop B with digital assistance. That Korn song is the one that is kind keeping it in the low end of things. And I am not dropping it

OMG, TWO virtual capos?!?!?!

Fortunately, once ya guys figure out how to navigate it you likely won’t have to revisit. Hopefully a side practice or phone call, going through the setlist song by song can help resolve it all!

 

[la szum]

Had our first practice last night with our "new (this time)" guitarist. Went great. As I said earlier; we have a shared history. It's a good shared history of people that can do their jobs perfectly \m/ Drummer is tight and metal AF, singer's voice is super brutal but clear. Guitarist and myself fit like a Chaos AD glove

He's a great player and tonally he does the "super beefy with some pleasant crispiness on the highs" while I do the "gained out, I am using a 112 IR and my tone is not Boston middy-AF but definitely middy-AF in a good way". Great blend of sounds to my ears. Our sounds and playing are very complimentary. Always have been. I love it.

Went through our 6 song list a couple of times. Bodies, Break Stuff, King Nothing, One Step Closer, Beautiful People and Falling Away From Me. Drummer is tight on these songs because he has that nature about him where he LEARNS things the way they actually are. Great band mind. On guitarist front; it was mainly about us finding our different parts as guitarists and hashing little bits and pieces out of who was playing what. Jammed through those good enough where I would have played the set in front of people as is



After this; we ended up playing Roots, then Helpless as well as one of our doomier drop B tunes from the way back. Like a glove doesn't really begin to describe it. I know I am supposed to be chill but it was so fun playing the heavier stuff again and the possibilities were sending my mind spinning in a good way.

The plan is to find a bassist and get back to it after Christmas. I am excited and everyone else seemed to be on that same tip as well!

Only issue I found is tuning. Ugh. Originally; I wanted this to be my "let's play 7 strings (or a baritone)" and be in B standard and drop A with same guitar. Last night was "I'm in E flat standard/drop C# then use the FAS pitch block (SHOCK HORRROR HOW COULD I DO THAT?) to go down to C#/ standard/drop B as needed and other guitarist is in E standard with a drop pedal".

He learned the Korn song in standard tuning (albeit A or whatever it's in on the record). I learned it in drop B. I found myself having trouble keeping the tunings between us straight as well as communicating the tuning discrepancies of each song we were deviating from as well as our own differences in tuning. I'm gonna need a cheat sheet or we're going to have to tune the same

Cautiously more than optimistic at the moment and just glad to be able to kick out the metal adjacent stuff for the first time in a LONG time

Fan-Fucking-Tastic!!

 

[JiveTurkey]

Fan-Fucking-Tastic!!

It was a soul-refreshing jam, even if it was just nu metal

 

[la szum]

Virtual Capo = Virtual Chorus.

Warble and wobble free of charge.


Have to pick the battles, and choose your poison. We've struggled with that
non-stop.... and have tried various approaches. Do you use multiple guitars
and burden yourself with that? Nope. Do you compromise and transpose
songs into an higher key/register than they originally are? Maybe. Do you
use technology to do some of the heavier lifting? Probably. Is it ideal? Probably not.

We play songs from drop B up to a Capo on the 5th fret. It gets to be a lot when
you have two guitarists and you both need to remember on the fly what tuning a
song is in. Mistakes will happen. Our last gig he started a song meant for Drop D
while still having his Pitch Block detuning an half step to drop C#. I changed, and
then after a couple of bars realized I needed to change back.


I have also started songs without putting the Capo on.


I was using a Whammy DT out front for a bit and using that to also go up .... but that
was hot, smelly ass. I don't care what anyone says, that latency and warble/wobble from
pitch correction is worse than auto-tune for the guitar. But it is sometimes all we have.

Happy for ya, JT! Nothing like throwing down with some Homies on tunes and vibes
you dig with your whole being.

 

[AlbertA]

Where there any JNCOs harmed in the process?

 

[JiveTurkey]

Virtual Capo = Virtual Chorus.

Warble and wobble free of charge.


Have to pick the battles, and choose your poison. We've struggled with that
non-stop.... and have tried various approaches. Do you use multiple guitars
and burden yourself with that? Nope. Do you compromise and transpose
songs into an higher key/register than they originally are? Maybe. Do you
use technology to do some of the heavier lifting? Probably. Is it ideal? Probably not.

We play songs from drop B up to a Capo on the 5th fret. It gets to be a lot when
you have two guitarists and you both need to remember on the fly what tuning a
song is in. Mistakes will happen. Our last gig he started a song meant for Drop D
while still having his Pitch Block detuning an half step to drop C#. I changed, and
then after a couple of bars realized I needed to change back.


I have also started songs without putting the Capo on.


I was using a Whammy DT out front for a bit and using that to also go up .... but that
was hot, smelly ass. I don't care what anyone says, that latency and warble/wobble from
pitch correction is worse than auto-tune for the guitar. But it is sometimes all we have.

Happy for ya, JT! Nothing like throwing down with some Homies on tunes and vibes
you dig with your whole being.

The gigging band transposes things a half step here and there. The material there isn't anywhere near as wide of range in tuning variations with the songs the wrestle metal thing is doing. I think I am either grabbing a Digitech Drop (blech) or have both of use the Fractal VC for the necessary tuning fluctuations. Again; the Korn stuff would be the only stuff that is going to be a long way out from the physical tuning of our guitars or something that can't be transposed without it being super noticable. I think whatever we use should be the same so as to minimize the tuning algo differences.

Where there any JNCOs harmed in the process?

We will need some stagewear at some point. If we have any luck and get that far along