GuitarBilly74
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Then find another way to make music, since "I can't afford it" is not a good excuse for theft either.
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paisleywookiee
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If only there was a plugin that was free, and allowed you to load captures of amps for free, into a DAW that was also free.
You said yourself legal != moral. A person argues using legality and you like that post. You said you disagree with profiling plugins, another person say they are ok with it, you like that post also. Confusing.Man, you’re blunt. Do you talk like that in real life? I hope so.
It's about Plugin piracy. Sure, you can talk about the legality, the morality of it is also related. I honestly don't know what you're referring to.
This is a legal distinction. Care to respond to this point that directly addresses this?
"The fact you don't copy it 100% is irrelevant. You copy the main functionality in a number of useful scenarios (settings) and in a similar format (plugin) without any compensation or even consent from the person/company that created it. That's plenty justification for me to call it unethical.
From the perspective of the developer he sees one using a full copy of his product, the other one using a plugin that has about 10 (or as much as one is willing to make) presets in his product - in both cases, zero compensation. Again, fully agree they are not the same, but I've yet to see a good justification that makes one stealing and the other one perfectly ethical."
Like I said I contacted the manufacturer and they said they weren't selling them anymore. They suggested Sweetwater, nothing. I tried asking if they could maybe just make it available with a warning that it wasn't supported anymore, nothing worked. At this point I don't see what's really I'd be taking away from the company by getting a cracked version of the updater. See? Justification.
Again, just assumptions, zero justification.
paisleywookiee
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Wow, I'm flattered. Now you're tracking what I like. Morality isn't tied directly to legality, no. But as I've already said, they often line up. I liked the other post because it was a perspective I hadn't considered.
You're confused by a lot of stuff in this thread, so I'm not surprised you're confused now.
Don't be, I'm confused most of the time. Actually one of the things that most confuses me is the amount of unwarranted certainty in most people.
paisleywookiee
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Maybe you're confused about why it is warranted.
To be warranted it means it's justified. So far I haven't seen any.
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Could this surpass the E Drums? MAYBE!
sashimi
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Tone ≠ intellectual property. Lots of things sound alike without stealing IP.
I have yet to see any good justification that makes stealing software ethical in any situation, or that makes matching a tone unethical in any way.
GuitarBilly74
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Yeah a lot of stuff goes out of production/support. It's not a reason to steal them though.
paisleywookiee
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Maybe you didn't look close enough.
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sashimi
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Is the software still available for sale? Then pay for it. If it’s not and you want to risk malware downloading some old version of it from the pirate bay, I guess I don’t care at that point. Still illegal but not unethical, just stupid, time to move on to new software.
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Which is an illegal practice. Thus, the thread is about legality.
paisleywookiee
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I'd like this post, but I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea.
You're being a bit disingenuous by basically equating tone matching or even "sounding alike" to profiling. I think there's an argument for tone being IP - again, not in the legal sense - but leave it for another time. You use the plugin directly as a measuring reference in order to make the model. Tone matching, ie EQ'ing, sure, you're using the sound as the source for measurements, maybe that's a better place IMO to where we draw the line.
Personally, trying to put myself in the shoes of the developer, seeing a person with my fully working plugin might be worse than another one with a plugin that can load 10+ presets that sound exactly as my plugin (because it used my very plugin for measurements) - but I just can't make myself to go "yeah, the first one is bad, the last one is perfectly fine".
I tried to buy it from them. I mean, I don't really like it either, but at this point, between the alternative of getting rid of mine to get another one, having gone through every step I could in order to purchase it, I don't see a reasonable justification. I'm perfectly ok to be shown wrong here - like I said, I'm not that happy with it either.
It would put a little bit more kindly than that lol, but that's pretty much it.
Honestly, I'd gladly pay for the update and also driver updates so I could still use it as an audio interface.
Plugin Piracy is an alliteration. Thus, the thread treats that.
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Bit weird that your previous claim was stealing TV shows to learn English. Apparently you didn't steal any books on logic though! You didn't have the best source material for your logic education. It isn't your fault. *hugs*
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IP doesn't exist in any other sense. It is strictly a legal term.
You're really really fucking bad at this. Jesus.
There's no claim, there was no justification, I just said what happened. I was wrong, sure. People change, grow.
You're very very brave to criticize anyone's logic after "Which is an illegal practice. Thus, the thread is about legality."
What are you talking about? Of course it does, it gets codified and enforced by law, but you're crazy to think its meaning solely relies on the law, the concept still stands.
