NEW Mesa Boogie 90's Dual Rectifier

[Deadpan]

Because none of those companies offer transferrable warranties either.

Oh, sure. But they never promised one either.

 

[Deadpan]

That’s a bummer. I can see this one from both perspectives but tend to side with the customer, especially in cases where we’re dealing with an obvious factory defect or design flaw. Mesa isn’t perfect and they have had some pretty good flubs on the design side.

I look at a service bulletin type issue kind of like I’d look at a recall on a part for an automobile. Granted the amp failure may not be a safety issue, but I would appreciate seeing more companies own those types of mistakes.

I also bet Mesa has covered some instances of those types of issues.

Had an experience with Revv and they owned it. And yes, they amp was purchased used and there wasn't even a question.

Dover couldn't care less. Luckily I have a good tech here that located the acid spilled on the jacks and board and cleaned it up.

 

[TSJMajesty]

That sweet, sweet 5 year warranty?

Isn't it only 3 now?

 

[TSJMajesty]

Here it is. This is how you use a recto, as part of a rig capable of tons of great tones.

Damn! Gibson needs to hire this guy for demos. I liked what he showcased much better than Ola.

 

[EOengineer]

The chance of its age being a problem? Having a warranty? Those 2 right off the top of my head would be huge reasons for me to need at least a $1500 price difference to entice me to buy a used one.

Fair enough, I suppose it depends on your risk tolerance. Old tube amps can sometimes be put through hell so there’s nothing wrong with playing it safe.

$1500 buys a lot of cap jobs though, usually about all these need every 20 years or so. Usually if a 30 year old amp is still standing you don’t have a ton to worry about so long as a tech puts in an hour or two checking the caps and the carbon comp grid resistors Mesa insists on using before you take it out on tour.

 

[LCW]

Yeah but they’ve been sitting there for a year and if I were a betting man I’d wager they will still be sitting there next year too.

There’s some merit to the 2C+ bubble - I’m not sure I can say the same for the Revision F.

Were there more IIC+’s made or Rev F’s? Not that it’s a straight up comparison as Rectos are IMO more niche in a sense even though marked an era much more prominently than the IIC+ did. Just fun to know.

Rev C, D and especially E are way more rare but less “Recto” in the recorded music sense.

 

[LCW]

Here it is. This is how you use a recto, as part of a rig capable of tons of great tones.

Nah - we want chugs only.

 

[EOengineer]

Were there more IIC+’s made or Rev F’s? Not that it’s a straight up comparison as Rectos are IMO more niche in a sense even though marked an era much more prominently than the IIC+ did. Just fun to know.

Rev C, D and especially E are way more rare but less “Recto” in the recorded music sense.

Good question, I had to look it up. The revision F recto is technically more rare than the IIC+ by ~500 units or so. I think it’s still fairly reasonable to suggest the IIC+ is the more coveted of the two circuits though.

Not to take anything away from the recto - the IIC+ has a decade head start on its lore. The revision F may get there one day.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Oh, sure. But they never promised one either.

Neither did Mesa. They had a policy. They changed it at the request of dealers. People were then free to either buy one, or not. At no time have they ever denied someone service for something that was purchased with a transferable warranty and had a receipt.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Isn't it only 3 now?

Still 5. Just not transferable.

 

[Whizzinby]

Zach Wish is the best demo’er in the game. I wish he demoed more stuff and wasn’t busy being a working musician.

There are a couple dudes I wish were working musicians and demoed less.

 

[Deadpan]

Neither did Mesa. They had a policy. They changed it at the request of dealers. People were then free to either buy one, or not. At no time have they ever denied someone service for something that was purchased with a transferable warranty and had a receipt.

The amp I have states transferable in the paperwork and they changed it mid deal.

All is good.

Just so everyone knows things have changed.

 

[paisleywookiee]

The amp I have states transferable in the paperwork and they changed it mid deal.

Did you have the receipt? This is the first time I’ve heard of Mesa denying warranty repair for a transferable warranty, even after the policy was changed.

EDIT

I see you didn’t have it, because previous owner didn’t have it.
Don’t know what to tell you on that one. They always required it of us, even when it was A. still transferable, and B. Still Randall owned.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Oh the first mark V I owned 15 years ago or whatever in addition to the original receipt needed a signed bill of sale as well

 

[GreatGreen]

This is the truth of a rectifier. The amp goes from woofy and grainy to immediately the greatest sound you’ve ever heard in your life just by putting a clean boost in front of it. If you’re not keen on running a boost out front, this is not the amp for you.

Yep. The entire ballgame with Rectos is that they don't do much preamp filtering at all for the player, which means the player gets to filter and tighten the amp themselves however they like.

Some amps sound tight and slicing out of the box, because all the preamp filtering has been done for the player already by the amp designer. This can be great, but better hope your guitar and cab works with that one-size-fits-all filter design though, otherwise you're kinda screwed because you have nowhere else to go. It's like getting a haircut, you can always cut more off but you can't put it back on. Boosting amps that are already tight from built-in filtering often sound choked and anemic.

It's not "why should this X-thousand-dollar amp need a $50 pedal to sound good" it's "this amp gives me the freedom to shape my sound in a way that no other modern high gain amp does" and as soon as you filter it with an EQ pedal or something to sound good with your guitar, the amp opens up and sounds like one of the most solid benchmark high gain tones you can get with anything.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Is it weird how the most desired Dual Rectifier is now a rev F? For ages the rev C is THE ONE.

I’m not sure either sound that special compared to the others, they all have their own charm. I think that’s how I feel about IIC+, they sound cool but no better or worse than other Marks to me. Just their own slight personality

 

[Deadpan]

Oh the first mark V I owned 15 years ago or whatever in addition to the original receipt needed a signed bill of sale as well

Wow, they always transferred mine into my name without any issue. Maybe this was over 15 years ago....no, pretty sure this was with the JP2C also...

Anyway, just so everyone knows, the warranty is not transferable.

 

[Deadpan]

Did you have the receipt? This is the first time I’ve heard of Mesa denying warranty repair for a transferable warranty, even after the policy was changed.

EDIT

I see you didn’t have it, because previous owner didn’t have it.
Don’t know what to tell you on that one. They always required it of us, even when it was A. still transferable, and B. Still Randall owned.

Not sure how long ago but they never required it for me. Until a few years ago.

 

[GreatGreen]

Is it weird how the most desired Dual Rectifier is now a rev F? For ages the rev C is THE ONE.

I’m not sure either sound that special compared to the others, they all have their own charm. I think that’s how I feel about IIC+, they sound cool but no better or worse than other Marks to me. Just their own slight personality

When I listen to unboosted Rev F vs Rev G demos, I hear a very, very slight difference. The Rev F is like, 3% tighter and brighter. Also these demos are never done with the knobs at extreme settings so I always wonder if just turning up the Treble or Presence on the G would eliminate the differences completely. However once the amps are boosted, the difference kind of disappears almost altogether.



Seriously, listen to these amps (MW, Rev F Triple with EL34's, Rev G Dual, Rev F Dual) and tell me with a straight face that the Dual F and Dual G are "significantly different." They're about as close as two amps can get without being identical. I swear I've heard other demos with two amps of the actual same make and model that sound more different than these amps in this video.

People on the internet tend to exaggerate things. A lot.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Is it weird how the most desired Dual Rectifier is now a rev F? For ages the rev C is THE ONE.

I’m not sure either sound that special compared to the others, they all have their own charm. I think that’s how I feel about IIC+, they sound cool but no better or worse than other Marks to me. Just their own slight personality

Used market for Fs has definitely made them seem like “the one” for a while now

Of course Rev Cs are even more rare than Fs

Personally I’m really only that interested in picking up another Roadster again in the future, and those are a steal at the moment as far as used prices go