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[James Freeman]

Regarding having an fx loop in a Plexi style amp, in my opinion it's very useful to have access to the Class A/B tube power amp for plenty of other things.
For example, you can slave other preamps/modelers into the poweramp.

 

[Eagle]

Wow! Hopefully if it will actually resemble a Marshall tone/feel-wise.

You could just buy a Marshall HW.

 

[James Freeman]

 

[Eagle]

Marshall should do a hand wired premium 20 watt SL .

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Marshall should do a hand wired premium 20 watt SL .

what's wrong with the PCB in the SV20? HW 20W makes absolutely no sense (as a production model) given it would be such a small niche of people that want HW but not the 100W circuit.

Can always find a 2061x HW if looking at a turret board is so important: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/31516003...J_tYn1l9F1WNS0IV2BddU0CVEbgVnWGBoC9C0QAvD_BwE

 

[Eagle]

what's wrong with the PCB in the SV20? HW 20W makes absolutely no sense (as a production model) given it would be such a small niche of people that want HW but not the 100W circuit.

Can always find a 2061x HW if looking at a turret board is so important: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/31516003...J_tYn1l9F1WNS0IV2BddU0CVEbgVnWGBoC9C0QAvD_BwE

It’s not that HW is better but the components that they use are.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

It’s not that HW is better but the components that they use are.

Sort of like going from 6/10 components to 7/10 though. Not really much wrong with what they’re using aside from it not being boutique grade, but Marshall was always about using whatever is available and keeps costs down. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their 20W line for what they are

 

[Eagle]

Sort of like going from 6/10 components to 7/10 though. Not really much wrong with what they’re using aside from it not being boutique grade, but Marshall was always about using whatever is available and keeps costs down. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their 20W line for what they are

I agree but a premium version with 9/10 would be nice.

 

[laxu]

Sort of like going from 6/10 components to 7/10 though. Not really much wrong with what they’re using aside from it not being boutique grade, but Marshall was always about using whatever is available and keeps costs down. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their 20W line for what they are

To me the only issue with that lineup is that they didn't include better power scaling and a defeatable master volume on the SV and JTM. Those would make the amps much more practical.

I don't really see a call for a premium handwired version of those amps. They are popular because they are cheap (in Europe at least).

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Amp looks super cool but I could never see owning one. I'd be more interested in the Marshall SV20 and even then I'd need an attenuator.

I an attenuator/load is going to get thrown into the mix, then I'm not going for the small-bottle-amp-trying-to-sound-like-a-big-bottle-amp, no matter how close the small-bottle amp might sound to the big-bottle target.

 

[Achilles]

I an attenuator/load is going to get thrown into the mix, then I'm not going for the small-bottle-amp-trying-to-sound-like-a-big-bottle-amp, no matter how close the small-bottle amp might sound to the big-bottle target.

Surprisingly, both the SV20 and SC20 use a pair of EL34s.

 

[Byrdman]

Marshall should do a hand wired premium 20 watt SL .

That would be cool, but it would probably be the most expensive 20w amp on the market and that would make a small target market.

IMO, that would only work cost effective-wise is if all that labor was done in Vietnam. Eventually I think they will move all the Studio Series to SE Asia which I would not mind. Imagine being able to buy all 4 studio series 20w tube amps @ about $500 each for about $2000-$2500 total for the set.

 

[Achilles]

IMO, that would only work cost effective-wise is if all that labor was done in Vietnam.

Vietnam has gone from the new SEA manufacturing guy on the block to a MAJOR player in about 10 years.
Was reading recently that they are exporting over $100 billion of goods per year now.

Major players like Samsung, LG, and Intel own large factories there.

 

[Byrdman]

Getting back to the subject, the Shills are out in full force so be careful out there, fella's. IMO, it sounds great but not $2800 great.

I would get a Marshall Plexi 1987x, an attenuator, and be able to take the wifey out to dinner so she gets over being pissed at me for spending more money on amps (and maybe have a little left over)

 

[Byrdman]

Vietnam has gone from the new SEA manufacturing guy on the block to a MAJOR player in about 10 years.
Was reading recently that they are exporting over $100 billion of goods per years now.

Personally, I would rather buy from them than China and the quality control is a lot better.

 

[Achilles]

the quality control is a lot better.

QC is factory/brand dependent - not country. There's still plenty of shit coming from there.

 

[Byrdman]

I an attenuator/load is going to get thrown into the mix, then I'm not going for the small-bottle-amp-trying-to-sound-like-a-big-bottle-amp, no matter how close the small-bottle amp might sound to the big-bottle target.

Just wondering why? With all the venues investing in their own sound systems and the trend to go quieter, I think these 20w amps hits the perfect spot.

As @Achilles said, these amps are running EL34's and IMO this is what makes them some of the loudest 20 watt-ers in the market. Small, Light, and Loud is what the market wants and they sees to be delivering.

 

[Byrdman]

QC is factory/brand dependent - not country. There's still plenty of shit coming from there.

I'm sure, but I was really referring to the Marshall factory in Vietnam. They own it and are in control so that should keep it higher.

 

[Achilles]

Samsung's Vietnam factory is more like a small city!

 

[MirrorProfiles]

To me the only issue with that lineup is that they didn't include better power scaling and a defeatable master volume on the SV and JTM. Those would make the amps much more practical.

Power scaling sounds like ass to me, I think a good master volume is just fine. Same goes for built in load boxes, and IR outputs. All stuff I’d prefer not to have.

Adding a PPIMV costs basically nothing in parts if a user wants it, although I think if Marshall did it from factory people wouldn’t complain. Its already designed to be smaller and less power, I think if its still too much (and a MV isn’t helping) then its the wrong product for the user. Theres always the 20W 800 and Jubilee if people want Marshall tones with a master volume too.

Origin is sort of a good case in point with a lot of this stuff - the power scaling is mostly a waste of time, the MV sucks tone, FX loop is only useful if you run the amp clean, and no matter how it’s set, if you want it crunchy like a Plexi it’s pretty uncomfortably loud. They’re not the sort of amps where you can compartmentalise the circuit, it just works better keeping it pure from start to finish IMO.