New Fortin Killer Kali module is... well, KILLER!

[laxu]

Well, constantly overpowering other people noise-wise could be called bullying, too. I'm not taking any side in this, all I'm saying is that there are probably two sides to this story, as well as a backstory, and we only know a tiny little part of it. And for me, this small excerpt is not enough to dump garbage on an entire company.

JerEvil was simply unlucky to have been innocently caught between the front lines. Both sides could have handled this better.

For sure, but this is shooting the messenger when you didn't like the contents of the letter. I get being annoyed if you have to constantly tell Synergy guys to turn it down, but you can still think a bit and not take it out on the guy playing who clearly wasn't even turning the knobs. But what is done is done, and then you could at least apologize for the outburst in a way better way.

Synergy guys are of course also at fault for constantly turning their gear too loud. Like why don't you park the master volume at a low enough setting? Or if the range is not there, use a Fryette PS since you will have access to that.

If Iconic wanted to really play this well, they could've said "Hey that sounds cool, would you like to try it out with one of our guitars? Also, could you turn down the volume, it's hard to be able to talk over at our booth? I wish I didn't have to be a spoilsport and ask this all the time."

I feel like NAMM needs to have some separate rooms for amp companies. I've gone to a few gear fest type things here in Finland and some of the amp guys having separate rooms where you can turn the amps up a bit was perfect, if you wanted to talk to people about the gear without loud noises you could just stay out of that section.

 

[maddnotez]

For sure, but this is shooting the messenger when you didn't like the contents of the letter. I get being annoyed if you have to constantly tell Synergy guys to turn it down, but you can still think a bit and not take it out on the guy playing who clearly wasn't even turning the knobs. But what is done is done, and then you could at least apologize for the outburst in a way better way.

Synergy guys are of course also at fault for constantly turning their gear too loud. Like why don't you park the master volume at a low enough setting? Or if the range is not there, use a Fryette PS since you will have access to that.

If Iconic wanted to really play this well, they could've said "Hey that sounds cool, would you like to try it out with one of our guitars? Also, could you turn down the volume, it's hard to be able to talk over at our booth? I wish I didn't have to be a spoilsport and ask this all the time."

I feel like NAMM needs to have some separate rooms for amp companies. I've gone to a few gear fest type things here in Finland and some of the amp guys having separate rooms where you can turn the amps up a bit was perfect, if you wanted to talk to people about the gear without loud noises you could just stay out of that section.

Yeah there's nothing anyone can say for me to change my opinion about "kevin"

Maybe NAMM was intended to be a snooty dealer convention. Unfortunately for those guys that is not the case. It is basically Guitar Center with special passes and legit gear. If you're a dealer and don't know that by now you're a moron.

If you can't handle stress you shouldn't be dealing with the public and being the face of your company. Not to mention this guys horrible, agressive and confrontational attitude? Coming at someone like a badass "I'm not fucking around"

What if Jer wasnt "fucking around" either? I'd have liked to have seen Kevin get a dunky chop to the throat tbh.

 

[JiveTurkey]

JUSTICE FOR JER







(...also; maybe he really is Evil?)

 

[laxu]

What if Jer wasnt "fucking around" either? I'd have liked to have seen Kevin get a dunky chop to the throat tbh.

Please, there's enough unhinged idiots with anger management issues running around as is.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

With all love to Jer I don’t think it’s a big deal and I sympathise with the angry dude a little.

Synergy dude saying “it’s not your concert” is a sort of jokey way of saying “OK, you’ve probably been blasting everyone long enough now”.

NAMM is loud as it is, full of annoying people coming and going, loads of stuff going on everywhere. I believe there are noise restrictions and fines for breaking them too.

And it’s probably hard enough to try and speak with potential clients, or people you’re trying to make a good impression with.

I know in the studio how annoying it is, when you ask someone not to play (while doing something) and they say “uh, OK” and then IMMEDIATELY just start playing again. I think Jer just misunderstood quite what he meant when saying enough’s enough.

Tbh I can’t stand guitar shops because hearing others play drives me nuts, and if someone is blasting something unnecessarily loud (when there is really no need) then I’d simply just stay clear. NAMM isn’t intended for regular guys like us, even if we might find it exciting to peer in on. I’d hope generally people are courteous when checking out companies products, I don’t really think anyone needs to blast anything particularly loud, and if they do, surely 30 seconds is enough?

He could have been more polite, but I can sympathise with him too. Having someone (just speaking generally here, not about Jer) blasting an amp for several minutes (and not being aware/respectful to the situation), potentially costing you contracts/business relationships/opportunities, risking a fine and generally annoying people is not cool either.

I remember one year Steven Slate going berserk at some brass band that suddenly burst through playing loud as fuck in the middle of a presentation.

 

[laxu]

With all love to Jer I don’t think it’s a big deal and I sympathise with the angry dude a little.

Synergy dude saying “it’s not your concert” is a sort of jokey way of saying “OK, you’ve probably been blasting everyone long enough now”.

NAMM is loud as it is, full of annoying people coming and going, loads of stuff going on everywhere. I believe there are noise restrictions and fines for breaking them too.

And it’s probably hard enough to try and speak with potential clients, or people you’re trying to make a good impression with.

I know in the studio how annoying it is, when you ask someone not to play (while doing something) and they say “uh, OK” and then IMMEDIATELY just start playing again. I think Jer just misunderstood quite what he meant when saying enough’s enough.

Tbh I can’t stand guitar shops because hearing others play drives me nuts, and if someone is blasting something unnecessarily loud (when there is really no need) then I’d simply just stay clear. NAMM isn’t intended for regular guys like us, even if we might find it exciting to peer in on. I’d hope generally people are courteous when checking out companies products, I don’t really think anyone needs to blast anything particularly loud, and if they do, surely 30 seconds is enough?

He could have been more polite, but I can sympathise with him too. Having someone (just speaking generally here, not about Jer) blasting an amp for several minutes (and not being aware/respectful to the situation), potentially costing you contracts/business relationships/opportunities, risking a fine and generally annoying people is not cool either.

I remember one year Steven Slate going berserk at some brass band that suddenly burst through playing loud as fuck in the middle of a presentation.

I agree with all that, but I'd say making videos at NAMM is also part of marketing to the public, even if it's a tradeshow first and foremost.

Volume has afaik been an issue forever at NAMM and somehow they don't manage to figure out a good solution for it. Afaik there are at least a few companies that make portable sound booths and those would be perfect for amp companies to cut down some volume. Slap a decibel meter in the corner and a "do not exceed this many decibels" warning. Considering how expensive NAMM seems to be, they could offer something like that for the cost.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I agree with all that, but I'd say making videos at NAMM is also part of marketing to the public, even if it's a tradeshow first and foremost.

Volume has afaik been an issue forever at NAMM and somehow they don't manage to figure out a good solution for it. Afaik there are at least a few companies that make portable sound booths and those would be perfect for amp companies to cut down some volume. Slap a decibel meter in the corner and a "do not exceed this many decibels" warning. Considering how expensive NAMM seems to be, they could offer something like that for the cost.

I mean; they made video booths/conference rooms for Youtubers to use. This ^ seems like a concern that needs addressing as well if not more?

 

[GTR37]

With all love to Jer I don’t think it’s a big deal and I sympathise with the angry dude a little.

Synergy dude saying “it’s not your concert” is a sort of jokey way of saying “OK, you’ve probably been blasting everyone long enough now”.

NAMM is loud as it is, full of annoying people coming and going, loads of stuff going on everywhere. I believe there are noise restrictions and fines for breaking them too.

And it’s probably hard enough to try and speak with potential clients, or people you’re trying to make a good impression with.

I know in the studio how annoying it is, when you ask someone not to play (while doing something) and they say “uh, OK” and then IMMEDIATELY just start playing again. I think Jer just misunderstood quite what he meant when saying enough’s enough.

Tbh I can’t stand guitar shops because hearing others play drives me nuts, and if someone is blasting something unnecessarily loud (when there is really no need) then I’d simply just stay clear. NAMM isn’t intended for regular guys like us, even if we might find it exciting to peer in on. I’d hope generally people are courteous when checking out companies products, I don’t really think anyone needs to blast anything particularly loud, and if they do, surely 30 seconds is enough?

He could have been more polite, but I can sympathise with him too. Having someone (just speaking generally here, not about Jer) blasting an amp for several minutes (and not being aware/respectful to the situation), potentially costing you contracts/business relationships/opportunities, risking a fine and generally annoying people is not cool either.

I remember one year Steven Slate going berserk at some brass band that suddenly burst through playing loud as fuck in the middle of a presentation.

Yep Slate lost it and i
Can’t blame him with a marching band
I know every year they Have people with DB meters walking around and they are responsible for that , it’s unfortunate they were absent as that takes away things like this or at least minimizes

Finally , did the fact that he knew of Jer and he being a popular you tuber and he knew he could get away w it play into it
What if it was George Lynch , Steve VAI , or other artist
Would he have been so rude probably not

 

[Rock Chalk]

Synergy dude saying “it’s not your concert” is a sort of jokey way of saying “OK, you’ve probably been blasting everyone long enough now”.

I thought it was the guy from Iconic Guitars who said that?

 

[MirrorProfiles]

making videos at NAMM is also part of marketing to the public

Yeah, but I think it's one of those respect things that has to go 2 ways. Making a ton of noise might make some reasonable content but I'm not sure it's essential to do on the NAMM floor. Best to speak with them and ask what they are cool with, and then perhaps just do a quick teaser and a respectful volume and do a full demo later on. If I showed up there with my iPhone and blasted an amp super loud, it could potentially drive away someone with a far bigger reach to do a demo somewhere else and they lose the attention. Its a pretty crap environment to demo anything at all, so I wouldn't put them too high on what's important at NAMM.

Afaik there are at least a few companies that make portable sound booths and those would be perfect for amp companies to cut down some volume. Slap a decibel meter in the corner and a "do not exceed this many decibels" warning. Considering how expensive NAMM seems to be, they could offer something like that for the cost.

Pretty sure companies already do both of these, but as well as the cost of the booth, you need more floorspace and to be able to load it in and out etc. And probably additional staff etc. I think Marshall did this but they probably don't have the budget restraints many might. If there are fines for exceeding a certain level then you'd have to be a nutter to just be guessing. and I bet if Slash walks up to your booth and turns the amp to 10, and everyones camera is pointed at them, then maybe taking the fine is worth it. For a lot of companies it sounds like having a booth at NAMM is barely worth the expense and hassle, and things like fines or missing important opportunities could be quite tough on the brand.

Part of the reason I have no interest in attending these kinds of things is I just feel like I'm a mouth breather getting in the way of who exhibitors ACTUALLY want to connect with there.

Either way, I don't think it's a big deal. It's a little embarrassing for both sides and probably awkward for both, but given all that's going on there it must happen all the time every year.

 

[Whizzinby]

The encounter is hilariously awesome considering the module being demoed. So appropriate.

Super pumped for this module.

 

[JerEvil]

Please, there's enough unhinged idiots with anger management issues running around as is.

The Khed condones non-violence.

The encounter is hilariously awesome considering the module being demoed. So appropriate.

Super pumped for this module.

its going to kick all the butts

 

[GTR37]

Man Synergy is coming out with some good mods
I think between the KK
Be DLX , SLO, DRECT they have the high gain well covered now
And the DRZ and Toneking
Are filling out the line for the Clean EOB vintage guys nicely

 

[JerEvil]

Man Synergy is coming out with some good mods
I think between the KK
Be DLX , SLO, DRECT they have the high gain well covered now
And the DRZ and Toneking
Are filling out the line for the Clean EOB vintage guys nicely

Yeah they’re killing it for sure.

 

[Desertdweller]

Man Synergy is coming out with some good mods
I think between the KK
Be DLX , SLO, DRECT they have the high gain well covered now
And the DRZ and Toneking
Are filling out the line for the Clean EOB vintage guys nicely

Synergy is the most interesting amp company right now IMO. I love everything they're doing. I would love a few more Mesa-inspired models. The IICP is great, but a more modern segmented lead/clean setup without the shared channel knobs would be wonderful.

 

[norminal]

Man Synergy is coming out with some good mods
I think between the KK
Be DLX , SLO, DRECT they have the high gain well covered now
And the DRZ and Toneking
Are filling out the line for the Clean EOB vintage guys nicely

If I ever decide to go back to amps, I’ll likely go with a Synergy rig. I used to own a Egnater MOD 50 and I really loved the flexibility.

 

[Genghis]

Synergy is the most interesting amp company right now IMO. I love everything they're doing. I would love a few more Mesa-inspired models. The IICP is great, but a more modern segmented lead/clean setup without the shared channel knobs would be wonderful.

The IICP module sounded fine, but the tiny graphic made it too hard to hit the sweet spot. I liked that one, the VH4, and surprisingly I reallly liked the Deluxe module. Great cleans on the Twin side and the Deluxe side had nice low gain tones.

 

[GTR37]

If I ever decide to go back to amps, I’ll likely go with a Synergy rig. I used to own a Egnater MOD 50 and I really loved the flexibility.

They are really getting my attention lately with the DRZ
BE DLX , Fortin , Toneking
I love my fractal but this seems to give some of that same flexibility of modelling but with the tone and feel of the real deal

 

[Mongillo19]

They are really getting my attention lately with the DRZ
BE DLX , Fortin , Toneking
I love my fractal but this seems to give some of that same flexibility of modelling but with the tone and feel of the real deal

Imo synergy doesn't really offer much that the fractal can't. It really depends on the power amp which can be said for both the fractal and synergy.

 

[Genghis]

Imo synergy doesn't really offer much that the fractal can't. It really depends on the power amp which can be said for both the fractal and synergy.

That’s why I sold mine and went all Fractal for a time. Then a friend brought over a Mesa Mk IIC+ for me to check out and I ended up making an offer on it a week later. Back up to three amps with a fourth on order and thinking I need to go back to rehab.