NDSP Quad Cortex

[JiveTurkey]

Man people get a QC and proceed to just not want to say anything bad about it

I know we are a little harsh but it's also interesting watching people buy the QC and a switch flips where they make it seem like we are bonkers for our arguments.

I'm glad people are happy with their purchase though!

I bought mine fully expecting it to suck. I just couldn't bear the curiosity any longer (and there were rumors of a price hike at the time.) Imagine my surprise when it showed up and kicked ass. :)

I don't have any problem addressing its (IMO minor) weaknesses, or calling out NDSP for habitually blowing smoke. But I do sometimes think folks go a little overboard ("bonkers") pretending the QC is a POS.

 

[mbenigni]

Neither the March nor February updates mention this. The only other one I know of was September 2023, which they conveniently revised in March.

Pretty sure it was the September one.

This is why I don't read their emails.

 

[Mongillo19]

I genuinely enjoy talking to @mbenigni about the QC

 

[DrewJD82]

We've really elevated the process to an art form.

LOOK ON MY WORKS, YE MIGHTY, AND DESPAIR!!!!!!!

I haven’t added a thing to the NDSP hate train and it just keeps on chuggin along!

 

[mbenigni]

I genuinely enjoy talking to @mbenigni about the QC

Likewise.

And I know you did your time with one, so that lends credibility to your criticisms.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Likewise.

And I know you did your time with one, so that lends credibility to your criticisms.

 

[mikah912]

I bought mine fully expecting it to suck. I just couldn't bear the curiosity any longer (and there were rumors of a price hike at the time.) Imagine my surprise when it showed up and kicked ass. :)

I don't have any problem addressing its (IMO minor) weaknesses, or calling out NDSP for habitually blowing smoke. But I do sometimes think folks go a little overboard ("bonkers") pretending the QC is a POS.

And in all fairness, they do sometimes! Yes, the hate on NDSP can be overwrought and completely indifferent to the things they actually do right.

The smoke-blowing" communication, sadly, still remains in need of a lot of work.

 

[Mongillo19]

Likewise.

And I know you did your time* with one, so that lends credibility to your criticisms.

*Times

 

[mbenigni]

It wouldn't be half so glaring if you hadn't bought LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE AT LEAST TWICE.

QC. Better than ToneX™

 

[Jarick]

Man people get a QC and proceed to just not want to say anything bad about it

I know we are a little harsh but it's also interesting watching people buy the QC and a flip switches where they make it seem like we are bonkers for our arguments.

I'm glad people are happy with their purchase though!

I didn't really factor that into my decision making.

To be clear, I'm disappointed that NDSP hasn't done much to enhance the product, that they drag their feet on every update, and that they continue to put resources into new plugin development and marketing rather than enhancing the current product.

However I can find fault with almost every other brand (except Line 6 to be honest) and am more than happy to voice my opinion about that too. Just look at my "Fractal Users" thread which was kind of the result of me being pissed off about slow development of the FM3. Of course that resulted in me selling the FM3 and getting an Axe 3, so I'm also not afraid to put my money where my mouth is.

I guess I'm not seeing the upside of re-litigating the same talking point over and over again.

 

[JiveTurkey]

QC. Better than ToneX™

 

[Mongillo19]

I guess I'm not seeing the upside of re-litigating the same talking point over and over again.

This is a gear forum, it's what we do

Also, it's going to keep getting brought up until they get it right.

However I can find fault with almost every other brand (except Line 6 to be honest) and am more than happy to voice my opinion about that too. Just look at my "Fractal Users" thread which was kind of the result of me being pissed off about slow development of the FM3.

No other brand has dropped the ball nearly as bad as NDSP. I don't think there is even a debate on that. I'm surprised you are cool with the QC if you were upset about slow developments of a fractal device

 

[JiveTurkey]

I didn't really factor that into my decision making.

To be clear, I'm disappointed that NDSP hasn't done much to enhance the product, that they drag their feet on every update, and that they continue to put resources into new plugin development and marketing rather than enhancing the current product.

However I can find fault with almost every other brand (except Line 6 to be honest) and am more than happy to voice my opinion about that too. Just look at my "Fractal Users" thread which was kind of the result of me being pissed off about slow development of the FM3. Of course that resulted in me selling the FM3 and getting an Axe 3, so I'm also not afraid to put my money where my mouth is.

I guess I'm not seeing the upside of re-litigating the same talking point over and over again.

Aren't we on your 397th time of shopping for an amp



Edited for: also

 

[mikah912]

I didn't really factor that into my decision making.

To be clear, I'm disappointed that NDSP hasn't done much to enhance the product, that they drag their feet on every update, and that they continue to put resources into new plugin development and marketing rather than enhancing the current product.

However I can find fault with almost every other brand (except Line 6 to be honest) and am more than happy to voice my opinion about that too. Just look at my "Fractal Users" thread which was kind of the result of me being pissed off about slow development of the FM3. Of course that resulted in me selling the FM3 and getting an Axe 3, so I'm also not afraid to put my money where my mouth is.

I guess I'm not seeing the upside of re-litigating the same talking point over and over again.

But what if they keep giving us new talking points to litigate?

Really, I'd rather discuss progress on the platform, but, uh......well, you know. I abandoned ship June of 2022, and two years later....it doesn't seem like a ton has changed apart from (awesome, I'm sure) QoL improvements.

 

[Jarick]

Aren't we on your 397th time of shopping for an amp

In the back of my head, I keep seeing you and @Boudoir Guitar slapping my wrists with a ruler every time I try to buy something cheap

Truthfully, I might be realizing that I actually don't like amp modelers despite my years of using them exclusively. I've tried all kinds of different headphones and monitors, then solid state combo amps as power amp and cab. Been thinking of selling the Axe 3 too, as I just don't love using it all that much.

I picked up that Orange 1x12 on Monday, now looking at a Rocker 15 head at a local shop. If I can get a decent trade value on my Katana Artist, I may pull the trigger there. Seems like a really cool lower watt amp that I could run cleanish to edge of breakup, then run pedals (or more realistically, the QC or HX Effects) out front. Could also run the QC into the effects return too.

 

[JiveTurkey]

In the back of my head, I keep seeing you and @Boudoir Guitar slapping my wrists with a ruler every time I try to buy something cheap

Truthfully, I might be realizing that I actually don't like amp modelers despite my years of using them exclusively. I've tried all kinds of different headphones and monitors, then solid state combo amps as power amp and cab. Been thinking of selling the Axe 3 too, as I just don't love using it all that much.

I picked up that Orange 1x12 on Monday, now looking at a Rocker 15 head at a local shop. If I can get a decent trade value on my Katana Artist, I may pull the trigger there. Seems like a really cool lower watt amp that I could run cleanish to edge of breakup, then run pedals (or more realistically, the QC or HX Effects) out front. Could also run the QC into the effects return too.

WE ONLY WANT THE BEST FOR YOU!

 

[LCW]

To be clear, I'm disappointed that NDSP hasn't done much to enhance the product, that they drag their feet on every update, and that they continue to put resources into new plugin development and marketing rather than enhancing the current product.

Per your comment they're sort of in a lose-lose situation. If they don't keep the plug-in pipeline fresh, I bet people will complain. But in doing so, and ignoring the QC development, they piss off the other contingent. They're trying to be too many things IMO. Plug-in "leaders" (which I think is where they started??), floor/desk modeler (QC)... but then also competing with the capture side (Kemper, Tone X, etc.)

 

[Jarick]

Per your comment they're sort of in a lose-lose situation. If they don't keep the plug-in pipeline fresh, I bet people will complain. But in doing so, and ignoring the QC development, they piss off the other contingent. They're trying to be too many things IMO. Plug-in "leaders" (which I think is where they started??), floor/desk modeler (QC)... but then also competing with the capture side (Kemper, Tone X, etc.)

That’s why I’m confused they dont have a marketplace. They could monetize third party content so easily. Huge revenue stream.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

In the back of my head, I keep seeing you and @Boudoir Guitar slapping my wrists with a ruler every time I try to buy something cheap

Truthfully, I might be realizing that I actually don't like amp modelers despite my years of using them exclusively. I've tried all kinds of different headphones and monitors, then solid state combo amps as power amp and cab. Been thinking of selling the Axe 3 too, as I just don't love using it all that much.

I picked up that Orange 1x12 on Monday, now looking at a Rocker 15 head at a local shop. If I can get a decent trade value on my Katana Artist, I may pull the trigger there. Seems like a really cool lower watt amp that I could run cleanish to edge of breakup, then run pedals (or more realistically, the QC or HX Effects) out front. Could also run the QC into the effects return too.

I will say this: I've obviously been through a lot of gear the last 6 or 7 years. But I can't say much of it has been about tonal struggles or fighting. If anything, I've just kinda gotten happier and happier with tones regardless of what modeling platform I'm using at any moment. So I'd say your impulse may be right in terms of "why am I making this such a fight?!?" and trying a very different approach. Sometimes we just gotta boop our life a little

 

[Mongillo19]

They're trying to be too many things IMO.

100 percent. But they caused this problem themselves.