Luminite Graviton M1 MIDI Controller

[Steve VV]

Greetings!! I have been using a Fender Tone Master Pro for over a year now – loving it. I recently decided to enter the dark world of midi and after some false starts have settled on the Luminite Graviton system. I have managed to figure out how to assign (program) patches from the Tone Master to the touchscreen and various switches. However, as a newbie I have a few questions specific to these units the answers to which I cannot find in the manual.

• What do the little “lightning bolts” in the patch blocks on the touch screen mean?
• What is being communicated when the patch numbers are enclosed in square brackets?
• What did I do to cause (and how can I “undo”) the apparent “linking” of two patches. They both are assigned identically and when I edit one or the other they BOTH reflect the changes simultaneously. Not sure why I would ever want to do this on purpose…
• Finally, I can NOT believe how well the nano tape secures the XY switch to my guitar. Now – how do I remove it so I can relocate it without damaging anything and still reuse the gecko feet??

Thanks in advance for your response(s). I’m looking forward to making good use of this GREAT little system.

Steve VV

 

[Enchilada Jones]

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• Finally, I can NOT believe how well the nano tape secures the XY switch to my guitar. Now – how do I remove it so I can relocate it without damaging anything and still reuse the gecko feet??

Thanks in advance for your response(s). I’m looking forward to making good use of this GREAT little system.

Steve VV

slight twisting and rocking while urging a guitar pick under to push into edge of the sticky pad to begin making it let go. I’ve been able to reposition numerous times. Don’t set the sticky part down on anything that gets it dirty or on a paper towel etc anything that might impart paper fibers etc

It sticks so well I’ve learned to not smash it on too hard to make removal a little easier

 

[laxu]

@Luminite In beta 4.6.4 it seems the footswitch "Hold tap" does not function correctly. If I try to map it to a Shortcut for example and hold the footswitch, it just goes to the main menu view. If I keep holding, it keeps going back to the footswitch view and repeats the same.

If I map the same function (e.g Shortcut) to the double tap for example, that works fine.

Also the "2nd tap" function for a footswitch does not reset if I press another footswitch. I can see preference for both ways, but I'd like to use it so that footswitch A 1st tap activates e.g preset 1, and 2nd tap activates preset 2. If I press footswitch B (activates preset 3), footswitch A should reset to 1st tap.

The way it seems to work now is that each footswitch keeps state so if I have tapped A once, then press B, then A again, it will count as 2nd tap for A.

 

[laxu]

@Luminite I'm also again running into the issue where I can't update the firmware because the updater keeps crashing. Last time it was solved by removing e.g MIDI mappings.

I noticed that if I make sure I turn off any BT MIDI devices that the Graviton M1 might connect to (e.g my CME WIDI Jack) before going to the updater, it seems to remain stable.

 

[Luminite]

Greetings!! I have been using a Fender Tone Master Pro for over a year now – loving it. I recently decided to enter the dark world of midi and after some false starts have settled on the Luminite Graviton system. I have managed to figure out how to assign (program) patches from the Tone Master to the touchscreen and various switches. However, as a newbie I have a few questions specific to these units the answers to which I cannot find in the manual.

• What do the little “lightning bolts” in the patch blocks on the touch screen mean?

Hi! These are Stomp Mode indicators: sending this preset in the background without updating the display.

• What is being communicated when the patch numbers are enclosed in square brackets?

Fixed Preset indicators / global function (doesnt change when switching banks)

• What did I do to cause (and how can I “undo”) the apparent “linking” of two patches. They both are assigned identically and when I edit one or the other they BOTH reflect the changes simultaneously. Not sure why I would ever want to do this on purpose…

Seems like you assigned two buttons to the same preset ? Each preset is unique in the Preset Library. But in Devices > Footswitch Pedals you can assign multiple buttons to one.

• Finally, I can NOT believe how well the nano tape secures the XY switch to my guitar. Now – how do I remove it so I can relocate it without damaging anything and still reuse the gecko feet??

Thanks in advance for your response(s). I’m looking forward to making good use of this GREAT little system.

Steve VV

You can try twisting the XY and it will loosen. After the first time it will be a bit easier

@Luminite In beta 4.6.4 it seems the footswitch "Hold tap" does not function correctly. If I try to map it to a Shortcut for example and hold the footswitch, it just goes to the main menu view. If I keep holding, it keeps going back to the footswitch view and repeats the same.

Did you also assign this button to Menu Nav > Hold > Back ? Menu Navigation and normal actions can be assigned separately

Also the "2nd tap" function for a footswitch does not reset if I press another footswitch. I can see preference for both ways, but I'd like to use it so that footswitch A 1st tap activates e.g preset 1, and 2nd tap activates preset 2. If I press footswitch B (activates preset 3), footswitch A should reset to 1st tap.

The way it seems to work now is that each footswitch keeps state so if I have tapped A once, then press B, then A again, it will count as 2nd tap for A.

I see. I'll try adding an option for this!

@Luminite I'm also again running into the issue where I can't update the firmware because the updater keeps crashing. Last time it was solved by removing e.g MIDI mappings.

I noticed that if I make sure I turn off any BT MIDI devices that the Graviton M1 might connect to (e.g my CME WIDI Jack) before going to the updater, it seems to remain stable.

Seems like a memory overflow issue! What do you mean by MIDI mappings ? Is turning Bluetooth off a consistent fix ?

 

[laxu]

Did you also assign this button to Menu Nav > Hold > Back ? Menu Navigation and normal actions can be assigned separately

That was the issue! Thanks.

I see. I'll try adding an option for this!

That would be great. With the 6 button footswitch being able to access all 10 presets in a bank requires a bit of head scratching. For me the most intuitive setup is arranging the Preset Library for them so that 1st vs 2nd tap is 1st preset -> 6th, 2nd -> 7th, 3rd -> 8th and so on. Basically "from top preset to bottom preset in block view" which makes it easier to memorize when you are not in footswitch view.

As a usecase for me the presets are setup something like Clean -> "Add delay on clean", Rhythm drive -> Lead drive etc where it just turns on extra fx on top of the same amp sound.

If this option is added, then I could go easily from e.g Lead drive -> Clean with one tap, then back to Lead drive by tapping another footswitch twice. Retaining each footswitches' nth tap state is not quite intuitive, but I'm sure someone else has a usecase for that.

Don't know what to call the option. "Reset taps to 1st when pressing another fsw"?

Seems like a memory overflow issue! What do you mean by MIDI mappings ? Is turning Bluetooth off a consistent fix ?

When in normal operation, the M1 never crashes even with CME WIDI Jack, Luminite F6W, 1x XY and 2x EC controllers connected.

The issue was the firmware update screen would crash and reboot after a few seconds.

Previously when I had this issue, when I removed the MIDI CC labeling for one of the MIDI channels, this seemed to fix it, but it might have been just what I thought fixed it.

Now I can confirm that it is fixed simply by turning off the power to my pedalboard, so the CME WIDI Jack that connects to the M1 is no longer connecting. No settings changed on the M1.

I tried updating the CME WIDI Jack to the latest firmware, and that seems to have also fixed the firmware update screen. So maybe there was a bug that caused excess messages from the WIDI Jack or something?

Maybe in fw update mode the M1 still tries to connect to BT devices? It probably shouldn't do that since all it cares about is Wifi connection.

Thank you for your hard work! The M1 is just ridiculously capable, and the sheer amount of ways you could configure it is astounding.

 

[Steve VV]

slight twisting and rocking while urging a guitar pick under to push into edge of the sticky pad to begin making it let go. I’ve been able to reposition numerous times. Don’t set the sticky part down on anything that gets it dirty or on a paper towel etc anything that might impart paper fibers etc

It sticks so well I’ve learned to not smash it on too hard to make removal a little easier

Thanks for the help!! Man those things work!!

 

[Steve VV]

Greetings!! I have been using a Fender Tone Master Pro for over a year now – loving it. I recently decided to enter the dark world of midi and after some false starts have settled on the Luminite Graviton system. I have managed to figure out how to assign (program) patches from the Tone Master to the touchscreen and various switches. However, as a newbie I have a few questions specific to these units the answers to which I cannot find in the manual.

• What do the little “lightning bolts” in the patch blocks on the touch screen mean?
• What is being communicated when the patch numbers are enclosed in square brackets?
• What did I do to cause (and how can I “undo”) the apparent “linking” of two patches. They both are assigned identically and when I edit one or the other they BOTH reflect the changes simultaneously. Not sure why I would ever want to do this on purpose…
• Finally, I can NOT believe how well the nano tape secures the XY switch to my guitar. Now – how do I remove it so I can relocate it without damaging anything and still reuse the gecko feet??

Thanks in advance for your response(s). I’m looking forward to making good use of this GREAT little system.

Steve VV

Hi! These are Stomp Mode indicators: sending this preset in the background without updating the display.



Fixed Preset indicators / global function (doesnt change when switching banks)



Seems like you assigned two buttons to the same preset ? Each preset is unique in the Preset Library. But in Devices > Footswitch Pedals you can assign multiple buttons to one.



You can try twisting the XY and it will loosen. After the first time it will be a bit easier



Did you also assign this button to Menu Nav > Hold > Back ? Menu Navigation and normal actions can be assigned separately



I see. I'll try adding an option for this!



Seems like a memory overflow issue! What do you mean by MIDI mappings ? Is turning Bluetooth off a consistent fix ?

Thanks for all the input... I went ahead and did a factory reset because I hadn't programmed anything that I couldn't easily redo. Still, I don't want to repeat my mistakes (I've got plenty of time to make new ones). It's good to know that help is available out in this community and maybe ESPECIALLY from the vendor. THANKS!!!!

 

[Luminite]

Now I can confirm that it is fixed simply by turning off the power to my pedalboard, so the CME WIDI Jack that connects to the M1 is no longer connecting. No settings changed on the M1.

I tried updating the CME WIDI Jack to the latest firmware, and that seems to have also fixed the firmware update screen. So maybe there was a bug that caused excess messages from the WIDI Jack or something?

Maybe in fw update mode the M1 still tries to connect to BT devices? It probably shouldn't do that since all it cares about is Wifi connection.

Excellent! I couldn't figure it out for months! Should be fixed now. Thanks!

Graviton M1 / M2 4.6.5 (Beta) Software Update​

New Features: ​

In comparison to version 4.6.3 Beta:

• MIDI In: Triggered by MIDI notes.
• MIDI In: Receive PC/CC/Note Number N → Trigger Preset/Bank/Song/Setlist Number N.
• New Actions: Song Jump and Setlist Jump.
• Backup Save/Load: Faster without rebooting.
• Song +/-: Now works in both in Setlists and Song Library
• Fixed: Update mode crashing loop when Bluetooth is connected.
• Fixed: Momentary function not working.
• Fixed: Bluetooth device names not appearing after scanned.
• Fixed: External wired footswitches not working in 4.6.3 Beta.

How to Update / Rollback:​

• Go to Settings > Update / Rollback > Follow the on-screen instructions.
• You can switch between Beta and the last Stable Release anytime without losing programmed data.
• It's recommended to stay on the Stable Release for gigging.

 

[Jack Luminous]

OK so I updated to the latest 4.6.5 BETA and now the thing can recognize all kinds of incoming midi message and has 128 slots to define whatever incoming thing to react to. Awesome. I think this is really one of the most powerful midi control device on the market right now. The touch screen with the righteous interface for programming is the bees knees and I sooooo like not having to use a computer program to do anything. That thing is perfect IMHO. Between the hundreds of machines I have, it's among those where I wouldn't change a thing on it because everything is done right. There are so few of them. My Soldano X99 with the motorized knobs is another. Kudos to Luminite FX for a great product !

I'm really hesitating putting the XY/EC controllers on my Gibson Axcess (which is my main guitar right now) but I'm weary the gecko thing will damage nitro finish in the long run. Still using a footcontroller for now.

Also, old question from another guitar forum but I think it's worth reposting : I tried to connect my Graviton M1 to my Boss GT1000Core using the USB Host function of the Graviton and usb port of the Core, not out of necessity, just for testing purposes. Couldn't get it to work at all. I guess the Graviton doesn't support "Combined Device Class" USB with both midi and audio on the same usb port. It's a serious limitation on the USB Host functionality since many devices carry audio and midi on the same USB port. Could that be enhanced in a firmware update ? That would be great !

 

[AFKAEjay(retired)]

Any fox for the update issue? Mine keeps crashing when I do also..

 

[laxu]

@Luminite I think you need to clarify the A/B feature a bit. It seems that it only works if Toggling is enabled?

Also, how does the Preset -> Flip State feature work? What's the difference between Send On/off vs Set On/Off?

 

[laxu]

@Luminite feature request: Show MIDI clock BPM value in the footswitch label if you have a footswitch configured for Tap Tempo. I think it would be a good spot to show the BPM on screen in the Devices -> Footswitch view.

Something like:

Tap Tempo
 120 BPM

 

[laxu]

Also a bug:

If you have a preset with a long name, and use the "send/set" preset features on another preset, I was able to see the "color rendered as hexadecimal value" bug from the past once, and the name will also run amok.

I have a preset where I had "Preset Solo Lead Set Off" and "Preset Hi Gain Lead Set Off" defined, and the names of these will run weird where part of the High gain leaks into the Solo Lead block. Having swapped them might also been a factor, not sure.

But basically "block name becomes really long and runs outside its boundaries" seems to be the problem.

 

[Luminite]

Also, old question from another guitar forum but I think it's worth reposting : I tried to connect my Graviton M1 to my Boss GT1000Core using the USB Host function of the Graviton and usb port of the Core, not out of necessity, just for testing purposes. Couldn't get it to work at all. I guess the Graviton doesn't support "Combined Device Class" USB with both midi and audio on the same usb port. It's a serious limitation on the USB Host functionality since many devices carry audio and midi on the same USB port. Could that be enhanced in a firmware update ? That would be great !

Yes its possible, I'm still working on it.

Any fox for the update issue? Mine keeps crashing when I do also..

Can you try turning off any Bluetooth devices connected to the M1/M2 before updating ?

@Luminite I think you need to clarify the A/B feature a bit. It seems that it only works if Toggling is enabled?

Also, how does the Preset -> Flip State feature work? What's the difference between Send On/off vs Set On/Off?

A/B: (yes requires Toggling On): send all messages on the left and the right side of the A/B block alternatively.
Flip State: flip the preset state from On > Off > On > etc (without sending).
Send On/Off: set the preset state to On (or Off), then send.
Set On/Off: set the preset state to On (or Off), without sending.

@Luminite feature request: Show MIDI clock BPM value in the footswitch label if you have a footswitch configured for Tap Tempo. I think it would be a good spot to show the BPM on screen in the Devices -> Footswitch view.

Good idea!

Also a bug:

If you have a preset with a long name, and use the "send/set" preset features on another preset, I was able to see the "color rendered as hexadecimal value" bug from the past once, and the name will also run amok.

I have a preset where I had "Preset Solo Lead Set Off" and "Preset Hi Gain Lead Set Off" defined, and the names of these will run weird where part of the High gain leaks into the Solo Lead block. Having swapped them might also been a factor, not sure.

But basically "block name becomes really long and runs outside its boundaries" seems to be the problem.

Cool I'll fix it in the next update!

Graviton M1 / M2 4.6.6 (Beta) Software Update​

​

New Features:​

In comparison to version 4.6.5 Beta:

• • Expression Pitch Bend: Control pitch bend using expression pedals.
  • Encoder + Pitch Bend: Control pitch bend using EC controllers.
  • Encoder ‘Scroll CC Number’ Option: Scroll through the list of CCs.
  • Encoder Stacking: (e.g., Encoder 1 + Encoder 2 + CC) Control a single parameter with multiple knobs (e.g., one knob for scrolling the CC list, another for adjusting the CC value).
  • Improved: Increased accuracy of M2 footswitches.
  • Fixed: TRS footswitch issues in certain cases.
  • Fixed: Song BPM displaying as 0 when the clock is off.
  • Fixed: Live View BPM displaying as 0 when the clock is off.
  • Improved: Update process with a longer timeout for weak signals.

How to Update / Rollback:​

• • Go to Settings > Update / Rollback > Follow the on-screen instructions.
  • You can switch between Beta and the last Stable Release anytime without losing programmed data.
  • It's recommended to stay on the Stable Release for gigging.

 

[laxu]

A/B: (yes requires Toggling On): send all messages on the left and the right side of the A/B block alternatively.
Flip State: flip the preset state from On > Off > On > etc (without sending).
Send On/Off: set the preset state to On (or Off), then send.
Set On/Off: set the preset state to On (or Off), without sending.

Yeah after asking I started to figure these out.

The "Set" options are useful when you want to kinda "prime" or "reset" the state of something else.

For example I set something like this:

"This preset turns on my Rhythm Overdrive preset, and primes the Solo Lead preset to Set Off state"
Then I can leave the Solo Lead preset as an on/off toggle, but changing e.g channel on my amp with another preset will reset the pedals back to "no lead pedals" state.

 

[Jack Luminous]

Yes its possible, I'm still working on it.

Thanks a lot ! I must say : your device is the best midi controller on the market. And I've tried a lot. In the end, I made my own using an Arduino because I was never satisfied. Your M1 made me retire my own contraption !

 

[fakemaxwell]

Is it possible for there to be a display timeout? I have my pedal attached to my computer which is on most of the day, so the pedal screen is as well, but I'm not using it all the time. Probably unnecessary power draw/ maybe not great for the display? Turned down the brightness a bunch but would be nice for it to be on when needed, off when not.

 

[Hellem]

Can XY controller be connected to windows 11 Bluetooth directly? What type of connection is XY controller using?

 

[Sedaxel]

I´ve been tempted by these Luminite controllers for a while. And now that I´ve got a Nano Cortex, and it´s been upgraded with effects that could fulfill my needs, I could think about getting one.

BUT:

- The M2 footswitches are too cramped for my needs. Not an option for me.

- The M1 could serve as a host+display for my MIDI controller (G-Lab GSC2). But it has 2 problems...

1) It´s sold out. Or even worse... it seems to be discontinued.

2) It´s only able to provide 500 mA... so it could not power the NC by itself (I´d need to power the NC independently). Not a huge problem, but there are other hosts that could power it (CME H4MIDI or Morningstar MC6 Pro, for instance).

I like de M1 more, I see it´s continuously being updated and developed. I like its look and build quality. But... is it really discontinued?