Luminite Graviton M1 MIDI Controller

[Luminite]

Im setting some stuff up aiming to use 1st 2nd click.

Here’s what happening:

I click switch one —> pc 1 (expected)
I click switch one 2nd time —> pc 2 (expected)

Then this scenario:
I click switch one — pc 1 (expected)
I click switch two —> pc 100 (expected)
I click switch one —> pc 2 ….not expected.

I’d expect the “click count” to reset at every first click of a new switch. Hard to find a usecase for the it works now…no brain is gonna track all those status

Yeah 'Resetting click count' can be added as an option.

Am I correct that when you want to pair an m1 and m2…you need to always pair them manually at every boot up?….would be very helpful if there was an autoconnect..

I'm still working on Auto Connect, should be in the next update.

Hmmm….im defining in “midi in” which incoming PC triggers which preset….i can’t get beyond setting up 12…bug?….would be very valuable if that was 127 slots.

Idea…maybe add another point of entry where you can click in a preset what triggers it?

There are only 10 MIDI Action slots, in each slot you can specify which preset (1 to 120) you want to trigger. (The same as programming a 10 footswitch pedal)

But there are a few ideas for multi Graviton setup that I can think of: ie send PC N as a trigger > load preset N, only takes 1 slot. Or sync the bank +/-. Let me know if you have other ideas ?

Issue: when editing a PC…the “only show labels” is frozen, I no longer can select PCs without labels on the M2…also after reboot.
so I’m aborting mission to include these into my rig for now cause I’m stuck…grrr…

Will fix it soon

 

[Sedaxel]

This controllers seem to be fantastic. I'm considering ordering the M2... But I'm concerned about footswitch separation. More or less, by the general dimension and the images, I estimate they're approx 63 mm separated. Similar to M-Vave Chocolate, for instance.

Can anyone measure and share the value, please?

If that confirms... Man, I just can't stand this trend of making these kind of devices so cramped. I think a "normal" separation should be 75 mm minimum. Being 85 mm a "good" no worries number... And even more when there're two rows of footswitches.

The Morningstar MC6 Pro seems to be more reasonable in this regard (I estimate 75 mm separation).

 

[laxu]

This controllers seem to be fantastic. I'm considering ordering the M2... But I'm concerned about footswitch separation. More or less, by the general dimension and the images, I estimate they're approx 63 mm separated. Similar to M-Vave Chocolate, for instance.

Can anyone measure and share the value, please?

If that confirms... Man, I just can't stand this trend of making these kind of devices so cramped. I think a "normal" separation should be 75 mm minimum. Being 85 mm a "good" no worries number... And even more when there're two rows of footswitches.

The Morningstar MC6 Pro seems to be more reasonable in this regard (I estimate 75 mm separation).

I can't speak for the M2, but the F6W footswitch spacing is about 65 mm measured from the center of footswitch A to center of footswitch B. I assume the M2 would be similar.

In practice I find the spacing to work just fine, and the back row has taller footswitches so those are easy to hit too.

Remember you can always connect a footswitch you prefer to the M1 for example.

 

[Graydon]

I can't speak for the M2, but the F6W footswitch spacing is about 65 mm measured from the center of footswitch A to center of footswitch B. I assume the M2 would be similar.

In practice I find the spacing to work just fine, and the back row has taller footswitches so those are easy to hit too.

Remember you can always connect a footswitch you prefer to the M1 for example.

Confirmed here too. The spacing is 65mm. Before the wireless 10-button footswitch became available I built a wired footswitch with 50mm spacing and that was too tight. I find the 65mm spacing to be just right.

 

[Luminite]

In my mind it would be helpful if there is a grid where you can define what incoming message (or other triggers like 1st/2nd switch) trigger. So…I can define that if pc1 comes in…preset y gets triggerd

Yes this is how the MIDI In function works currently, I was thinking about adding additional functions on top of it

This controllers seem to be fantastic. I'm considering ordering the M2... But I'm concerned about footswitch separation. More or less, by the general dimension and the images, I estimate they're approx 63 mm separated. Similar to M-Vave Chocolate, for instance..

All Luminite footswitches spacing is 65mm

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Finally I have a weird issue related to changing my BluGuitar Amp 1 channels using the "chain preset" feature.

This should be fixed now

Graviton M1 / M2 Software Update 4.5.3 (Beta) Release​

• Fixed: Expression CC / CV / Clock only work in MIDI Editor (when being used as per-preset).
• Fixed: Chain Preset is working properly now.
• Added: Expression pedal calibration position feedback.

How to Update / Rollback:

• Go to Settings > Update / Rollback > Follow the on-screen instructions.
• You can switch between Beta and Stable anytime without loosing programmed data.
• It's recommended to stay on the Stable for gigging.
  
  Enjoy and please report bugs here

 

[DoctorD00m]

Howdy all, just got my M2 and am using it as the heart of my pedalboard for our Euro tour that starts next week. Here couple of requests I’d love to see, though if these are already possible let me know!

- Ability to modify the “infinite scrolling” for setlists. I don’t want or need it to move to the next setlist, so it would be very useful to turn this setting off. Additionally, it would be great if there was an option to engage this functionality to remain in the same set and simply cycle through that setlist infinitely.
- Ability to move to next song in a setlist without the M2 automatically loading the first preset in that song. I have all of my songs set with the 1st footswitch to load the rhythm tone, but that isn’t necessarily the first tone I use in a song. So, I would love to be able to essentially queue up the next song’s collection of presets and (I have switch 6 on the unit set to advance to the next song) without the unit loading all of the settings/sending the MIDI commands for that rhythm preset.
- Copy and paste a switch/MIDI/etc command from one song into another.
- “Smart delete” of a song from a setlist would then move all other songs up one position rather than leaving a blank preset in the place of the now-deleted one
- “Sticky” caps lock (double tap to “stick” like on a cellphone). I use all caps on some presets because of my less than amazing eyesight and it’s a pain in the butt to re-engage the caps lock for each letter.

Any chance some of these might be in an upcoming update?

 

[Luminite]

Graviton M1 / M2 Software Update 4.5.6​

New features:

• New Message: A/B: Send messages before and after this block alternatively.
• New Toogling Mode: Rotation: Send each message in the same Preset in rotation.
• Setlist Mode: Per-song setup BPM.
• Setlist Mode: Per-song setup Preset (1st to 10th Song Preset, from Song Library, or none)
• Setlist Mode: Scroll Through options: Off, Wrap-Around, Scroll to the next Song/Setlist.
• Stomp Mode: Send MIDI without changing Preset.
• New Option: TRS > Expression > Smoother Sweeps: Increase expression smoothness, but slower UI updates.

How to Update / Rollback:

• Go to Settings > Update / Rollback > Follow the on-screen instructions.
• You can switch between Beta and the last Stable Release anytime without loosing programmed data.
• It's recommended to stay on the Stable Release for gigging.
  
  Enjoy and please report bugs here

Any chance some of these might be in an upcoming update?

The first two requests are in this update

Is there any way to use a single preset to cycle between multiple values? I'd like to toggle the Presence switch on my Strymon Riverside between its 3 positions because it's hard to reach on my board. Basically CC value 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> loop back to 1 -> 2 -> 3.

I know I can toggle between two values with the toggling CC.

I feel like I may have asked this before...

Done !

 

[abcdefg]

I recently found out about your products - pretty amazing stuff! I have a few questions if you don't mind:

1.a. Say you’re doing a live performance that has 25-30 songs in it, how could you do this using the M1, i.e., trigger MIDI messages for 25-30 different songs?

Page 22 in the manual defines these terms: 1 song = 10 presets, 1 bank = 10 presets, 1 setlist = 10 songs, etc.

1.b. So in my scenario of 25-30 songs, would I use 3 setlists?

1.c. If setlists are currently limited to 10 songs, do you think at some point you might increase the number of songs in a setlist to make setlists with more songs more manageable as a whole?

2. For the Live Screen view, page 41, what’s the character count limit when viewing the Live Screen? Do the characters just get smaller the more characters there are?

Thank you!

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Can anyone describe how to set up the EC knob controller to serve as an ‘expression pedal’ via MIDI from an M1?

Bonus points if you use sending to a Boss SY1000 and a GM800 as a reference.

I have presets on the M1 sending PC and CC on the correct midi channels of those two devices but can’t seem to do the same with the XC. Do I have to create a XC line in each preset the way I’m changing patches on the SY1000 and GM800? I was hoping to just make the EC controller be a pair of full time global virtual volume controls, one for each synths midi channel…

I do have the XC paired and showing activity in M1 devices page but no sign of sending anything downstream from the M1.

Edit to add: I found a great video to help, hopefully others will find it helpful, the guy did a really good job with it

 

[abcdefg]

Has anyone else had issues getting a response from support? I've tried the email support@luminitefx.com and also the chat box on their website. Its been 5 days so far (4 business days).

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Is there a way to make the encoder settings 'global'?
I have figured out how to assign an encoder followed by a CC block in the M1 preset and am sending one knob to one midi channel and the other knob to a different midi channel so now my SY1000 and GM800 each have a dedicated volume control.

Do I have to make those 'encoder/CC' blocks in every M1 preset individually if I want to always have those 'volume' knobs available?
I'm trying to replicate the convenience of having an expression pedal for each synth set for volume/output control regardless of what presets are called up on the synths...

 

[Hush]

@Luminite everything OK? You are usually very good at responding.

 

[abcdefg]

I just sent them another chat message on their site. Still no response as of Oct 2 to either my prior email or chat from Sep 14/15. Maybe something is wrong.

 

[Enchilada Jones]

On the latest software USB midi works over the ‘Device’ port (usb a) on M1 sorry don’t have M2

 

[Luminite]

I recently found out about your products - pretty amazing stuff! I have a few questions if you don't mind:

1.a. Say you’re doing a live performance that has 25-30 songs in it, how could you do this using the M1, i.e., trigger MIDI messages for 25-30 different songs?

Page 22 in the manual defines these terms: 1 song = 10 presets, 1 bank = 10 presets, 1 setlist = 10 songs, etc.

1.b. So in my scenario of 25-30 songs, would I use 3 setlists?

1.c. If setlists are currently limited to 10 songs, do you think at some point you might increase the number of songs in a setlist to make setlists with more songs more manageable as a whole?

2. For the Live Screen view, page 41, what’s the character count limit when viewing the Live Screen? Do the characters just get smaller the more characters there are?

Thank you!

1a. Yes correct, you can just use multiple Setlists,
1b. Yes just name them Setlist 1A, 1B, 1C for example and scroll through them as one Setlist. (there are multiple scroll through options)
1c. Not yet, but its a possibility.
2. Text size remains the same, and long text will get wrapped the the next line.

Is there a way to make the encoder settings 'global'?
I have figured out how to assign an encoder followed by a CC block in the M1 preset and am sending one knob to one midi channel and the other knob to a different midi channel so now my SY1000 and GM800 each have a dedicated volume control.

Do I have to make those 'encoder/CC' blocks in every M1 preset individually if I want to always have those 'volume' knobs available?
I'm trying to replicate the convenience of having an expression pedal for each synth set for volume/output control regardless of what presets are called up on the synths...

You can assign the knobs to a Fixed Preset (global)

@Luminite everything OK? You are usually very good at responding.

I just sent them another chat message on their site. Still no response as of Oct 2 to either my prior email or chat from Sep 14/15. Maybe something is wrong.

Sorry our server was full, and many messages /mails were inaccessible until upgraded for more storage. Plus very high demand / short staffed. Everything is fine now. Thanks for checking!

Can anyone confirm midi over usb works on M2? Tried both ports, on 3 units on the receiving end, both as device as host…nada.
Midi is whitelisted on the usb in settings, tried both Omni as well as dedicated channels, confirmed the midi msg via midi din, works…seems to me midi over usb isn’t working at all.
I’m on the latest stable firmware

@Luminite

What is your setup is like ? What devices are you connecting to ?

 

[Luminite]

I’ve tried into the quad cortex, into a Kemper toaster, Kemper player…all possible usb ports and combinations…including toggle between host/device mode. Nothing happens, no indication there is midi going out of the usb. I also tried connecting to my Mac, no midi incoming visible in my daw either…

. I verified the midi msg thru an old school midi cable…that works.

Can you try these steps?
1. Download, install and run this app on your Mac: https://www.snoize.com/MIDIMonitor/
2. On M2 > Settings > USB > Mode > Device.
3. Connect M2 USB-C port (the small one) > USB cable > Mac
4. Open MIDI Monitor app, do you see the Graviton USB-MIDI under the MIDI Sources ?
5. If yes, try to send some messages from the M2, see if they appear in the app

 

[king_wombat]

@Luminite another question for you. With regards to assigning a switch to tap tempo on the m2, does a led flash continually to show the tempo? I’m very interested in the m2 but really need a visual cue on the midi controller.

 

[laxu]

@Luminite, I ran into a major issue with the updater.

It will keep rebooting itself back to the update screen after a moment. This happened on fw 4.5.7, but also happens on 4.6.2.

The only way I was able to update was to backup my data, factory reset the unit to fw 1.0.0 and then update.

But after restoring my data, the updater screen still keeps rebooting itself. I can get to e.g Wifi selection screen but by the time it shows a list it might reboot again. I can get out of the updater and the normal operation works fine.

I don't know if this is e.g me having too much data on my system or some other issue.

 

[Luminite]

@Luminite another question for you. With regards to assigning a switch to tap tempo on the m2, does a led flash continually to show the tempo? I’m very interested in the m2 but really need a visual cue on the midi controller.

No LED flash for now, but I'll add it to the plan

@Luminite, I ran into a major issue with the updater.

It will keep rebooting itself back to the update screen after a moment. This happened on fw 4.5.7, but also happens on 4.6.2.

The only way I was able to update was to backup my data, factory reset the unit to fw 1.0.0 and then update.

But after restoring my data, the updater screen still keeps rebooting itself. I can get to e.g Wifi selection screen but by the time it shows a list it might reboot again. I can get out of the updater and the normal operation works fine.

I don't know if this is e.g me having too much data on my system or some other issue.

Possible large user data / memory related issue in update mode. Can you send your backup file over and I'll debug it ?

 

[laxu]

Possible large user data / memory related issue in update mode. Can you send your backup file over and I'll debug it ?

Sent you a DM with the backup.